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Old 08-20-2014, 11:05 PM   #21
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It only evens out the situation if South Carolina is going to line up 4 to 5 wide receivers every down. I would still give A&M a slight edge based on ability.

A&M's secondary will have some combination of Howard Matthews, Floyd Raven, Noel Ellis, Tavares Garner, Nick Harvey, Armani Watts, Vic Davis, and Devonta Burns. Davis and Burns are the only two who are not "Blue Chip" prospects. That is 6 4-star rated players. The only two "Blue Chip" players in the USC secondary are the 2 freshman who got to campus late, because of qualification issues.
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It only evens out the situation if South Carolina is going to line up 4 to 5 wide receivers every down. I would still give A&M a slight edge based on ability.

A&M's secondary will have some combination of Howard Matthews, Floyd Raven, Noel Ellis, Tavares Garner, Nick Harvey, Armani Watts, Vic Davis, and Devonta Burns. Davis and Burns are the only two who are not "Blue Chip" prospects. That is 6 4-star rated players. The only two "Blue Chip" players in the USC secondary are the 2 freshman who got to campus late, because of qualification issues.
As long as we are gauging a team's potential performance by the national recruiting services' "blue chip" high school prospects....
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It only evens out the situation if South Carolina is going to line up 4 to 5 wide receivers every down. I would still give A&M a slight edge based on ability.

A&M's secondary will have some combination of Howard Matthews, Floyd Raven, Noel Ellis, Tavares Garner, Nick Harvey, Armani Watts, Vic Davis, and Devonta Burns. Davis and Burns are the only two who are not "Blue Chip" prospects. That is 6 4-star rated players. The only two "Blue Chip" players in the USC secondary are the 2 freshman who got to campus late, because of qualification issues.
A & M better hope those blue chippers are good because they gave up about 700 yards to Duke last time they hit the field. That is not really a problem you can fix in one game, it doesn't usually matter who you recruit.
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Having a high ranked recruiting class does not equal elite success. Take Georgia and Clemson for example.
It certainly doesn't hurt. A&M was hoping to redshirt some of their youth last year, but they were so much better they ended up starting them anyways. Now most of those players have gained between 10-30 lbs. and they have some playing time under their belts. Daeshon Hall only played half the season and only on rushing downs, but he almost led the team in sacks though he was 6'6" 225 lbs. He is now 6'6" 260 lbs. and playing the weak-side defensive end. They are likely going to line up both Daeshon Hall and Myles Garrett (#1 DE recruit, #2 player nationally overall) during passing downs.
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A & M better hope those blue chippers are good because they gave up about 700 yards to Duke last time they hit the field. That is not really a problem you can fix in one game, it doesn't usually matter who you recruit.
That was the #2 team in the ACC. A&M played an All freshman defensive front 7 for a good part of the game and they were breaking in a new offense (only game with Jake Spavital as OC)...and they won.
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It only evens out the situation if South Carolina is going to line up 4 to 5 wide receivers every down. I would still give A&M a slight edge based on ability.

A&M's secondary will have some combination of Howard Matthews, Floyd Raven, Noel Ellis, Tavares Garner, Nick Harvey, Armani Watts, Vic Davis, and Devonta Burns. Davis and Burns are the only two who are not "Blue Chip" prospects. That is 6 4-star rated players. The only two "Blue Chip" players in the USC secondary are the 2 freshman who got to campus late, because of qualification issues.
1. USC has more than just 2 guys in the secondary that were 4 stars, FWIW. Brison Williams and Chaz Elder (two veteran starters) along with Lammons, Green, and Smith. USC has put countless 3 star DBs in the NFL, btw.

2. Larry Coker, the guy who got fired from Miami after judging his recruiting based totally on star ratings, says hi.
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That was the #2 team in the ACC. A&M played an All freshman defensive front 7 for a good part of the game and they were breaking in a new offense (only game with Jake Spavital as OC)...and they won.
Your defense sucks

your defense didn't stop sucking/magically got better in the off season, they were 109th in nation defense/if they finish at 105 that's an improvement (that's how bad you guys suck at defense)

You guys had the best recruiting class ever (according to you guys) and yet all these studs can't crack a starting lineup that needs pass rushers/heck any one that can tackle

you defend giving up 700 yards by saying "hey it's duke", somehow the backups are better than the starters but your coaches feel they should ride out this whole top 110 defense in the nation thing

finally your defense sucks, like they're really really bad and they didn't get Kirby smart to fix it/ they got a guy that lead the uber awesome Nebraska defense-defense that regularly gives up 30pts in one of the worst offensive conferences.
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As long as we are gauging a team's potential performance by the national recruiting services' "blue chip" high school prospects....
Yes, because there is a reason that these national recruiting services exist. FSU, Bama, Oregon, Texas, Stanford and every other successful team says hello. USC has had a bit of success recently. Are you trying to tell me that their #17 ranked class (their best in recent history) with Jadaveon Clowney, Kelcy Quarles, Damian Byrd, and Brison Williams played no part in that success?

I'm just trying to point out that nobody is talking trash about Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, or Georgia. Bama, LSU, and Florida are the only teams in the SEC that have out-recruited A&M since it joined the SEC. A&M also added the #2 rated running back in the country (Brandon Williams) when he transferred from Oklahoma, but he is getting absolutely no coverage by the media. Bob Stoops was saying that this kid was a cross between Adrian Peterson and Demarco Murray, but he hasn't been discussed among any of the preseason guides.

A&M has two of the top running back prospects in the country (Trey and Brandon Williams), the #1 athlete from a year ago in Ricky Seals Jones, the #1 JUCO OLB in Tommy Sanders, the #1 JUCO TE in Cam Clear, the #1 wide receiver in Speedy Noil, the #1 Defensive End in Myles Garrett, the #1 QB riding the pine in Kyle Allen, and a dominant offensive line.

They will likely have the best offense and special teams in the SEC by the time this season is over. USC is very lucky to be facing A&M at home during the first game of the season. This team should not be overlooked.
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1. USC has more than just 2 guys in the secondary that were 4 stars, FWIW. Brison Williams and Chaz Elder (two veteran starters) along with Lammons, Green, and Smith. USC has put countless 3 star DBs in the NFL, btw.

2. Larry Coker, the guy who got fired from Miami after judging his recruiting based totally on star ratings, says hi.
1. You are right about Chaz Elder. Brison Williams was a 3-star. You may be confusing him with the OLB also named Brison Williams.

2. FWIW...Larry Coker's Bio says he won a National Championship and was 2-time National Coach of the Year.
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Yes, because there is a reason that these national recruiting services exist. FSU, Bama, Oregon, Texas, Stanford and every other successful team says hello. USC has had a bit of success recently. Are you trying to tell me that their #17 ranked class (their best in recent history) with Jadaveon Clowney, Kelcy Quarles, Damian Byrd, and Brison Williams played no part in that success?

I'm just trying to point out that nobody is talking trash about Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, or Georgia. Bama, LSU, and Florida are the only teams in the SEC that have out-recruited A&M since it joined the SEC. A&M also added the #2 rated running back in the country (Brandon Williams) when he transferred from Oklahoma, but he is getting absolutely no coverage by the media. Bob Stoops was saying that this kid was a cross between Adrian Peterson and Demarco Murray, but he hasn't been discussed among any of the preseason guides.

A&M has two of the top running back prospects in the country (Trey and Brandon Williams), the #1 athlete from a year ago in Ricky Seals Jones, the #1 JUCO OLB in Tommy Sanders, the #1 JUCO TE in Cam Clear, the #1 wide receiver in Speedy Noil, the #1 Defensive End in Myles Garrett, the #1 QB riding the pine in Kyle Allen, and a dominant offensive line.

They will likely have the best offense and special teams in the SEC by the time this season is over. USC is very lucky to be facing A&M at home during the first game of the season. This team should not be overlooked.
I'm pretty sure you already know this, I having a feeling you change screen names, lemme guess aggie22 or aggie12, anyways there are about 6 threads devoted to the freshman class at ATM. Sorry for sounding rude but at this point nobody wants a detailed back round on your freshman, we don't care. I get your excited to possibly not suck on defense, cool beans but all guys post about is weight and bs 40tiimes(can some one give me a link w garret running a 4.5 40 bc no one has been able too). There are maybe one to Aggies that have legit info/opinion, the rest just obnoxiously toute freshman and recruit rankings, how did those awesome recruits work out on d last year?
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That sounds extremely painful. He must have taken one hell of a shot to the old twig and berries.
It could be a sex injury which is why the coach is being vague. If it happened at practice or from a hit to the area, it's not something you'd keep covered up.

My friend had a similar injury once where he went in at a bad angle and was wearing a crazy thing to keep his twig straight for a couple months. Said it was awful. It's not unheard of for athletes to have sex injuries. I remember a story about Prefontaine injuring his foot before a race that way.
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I'm pretty sure you already know this, I having a feeling you change screen names, lemme guess aggie22 or aggie12, anyways there are about 6 threads devoted to the freshman class at ATM. Sorry for sounding rude but at this point nobody wants a detailed back round on your freshman, we don't care. I get your excited to possibly not suck on defense, cool beans but all guys post about is weight and bs 40tiimes(can some one give me a link w garret running a 4.5 40 bc no one has been able too). There are maybe one to Aggies that have legit info/opinion, the rest just obnoxiously toute freshman and recruit rankings, how did those awesome recruits work out on d last year?
Defense is only 1 phase of the 3 phase game. Auburn had the 87th ranked defense in the nation and played for the National Championship. I'm not saying A&M is going to play for a Championship, but this "sorry defense" mantra is overplayed. They lost to MIZZOU, Auburn, and Bama by a TD or less. A&M has only lost by double digits 1 time since it joined the SEC.
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We have a pretty good track record with DB's over the last 15 years. I will take whatever we have, including coaching, over what yall have any day.
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Defense is only 1 phase of the 3 phase game. Auburn had the 87th ranked defense in the nation and played for the National Championship. I'm not saying A&M is going to play for a Championship, but this "sorry defense" mantra is overplayed. They lost to MIZZOU, Auburn, and Bama by a TD or less. A&M has only lost by double digits 1 time since it joined the SEC.
ATM Moral Victories count!!!!!!!!!!!!! 87th is a lot better than 109, just sayin. Weird no mention of Lsu? Why is that?
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This "our defense will go from 109th to a top 10 over one off season, our freshman all gained 20 lbs. and our true freshman are the best at their position in the world crap is getting old quick. Are All A&M fans this annoying or is it mostly their "Walmart fans"?
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Out of everything I read on this thread my favorite part is where Gig'em guy defends his defense saying Duke was number 2 in the ACC.. it's cute. and funny.

unwritten rule for teams in the SEC.-- nothing about the ACC or "how good it is" (lol) can help your case in a debate. lol.. newbies.
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This "our defense will go from 109th to a top 10 over one off season, our freshman all gained 20 lbs. and our true freshman are the best at their position in the world crap is getting old quick. Are All A&M fans this annoying or is it mostly their "Walmart fans"?
Really??? I don't recall anyone saying we were going to be a top 10 defense, or that our freshman gained 20 lbs...

Not sure where this was directed at either.
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Yes, because there is a reason that these national recruiting services exist. FSU, Bama, Oregon, Texas, Stanford and every other successful team says hello. USC has had a bit of success recently. Are you trying to tell me that their #17 ranked class (their best in recent history) with Jadaveon Clowney, Kelcy Quarles, Damian Byrd, and Brison Williams played no part in that success?

I'm just trying to point out that nobody is talking trash about Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Ole Miss, or Georgia. Bama, LSU, and Florida are the only teams in the SEC that have out-recruited A&M since it joined the SEC. A&M also added the #2 rated running back in the country (Brandon Williams) when he transferred from Oklahoma, but he is getting absolutely no coverage by the media. Bob Stoops was saying that this kid was a cross between Adrian Peterson and Demarco Murray, but he hasn't been discussed among any of the preseason guides.

A&M has two of the top running back prospects in the country (Trey and Brandon Williams), the #1 athlete from a year ago in Ricky Seals Jones, the #1 JUCO OLB in Tommy Sanders, the #1 JUCO TE in Cam Clear, the #1 wide receiver in Speedy Noil, the #1 Defensive End in Myles Garrett, the #1 QB riding the pine in Kyle Allen, and a dominant offensive line.

They will likely have the best offense and special teams in the SEC by the time this season is over. USC is very lucky to be facing A&M at home during the first game of the season. This team should not be overlooked.
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Really??? I don't recall anyone saying we were going to be a top 10 defense, or that our freshman gained 20 lbs...

Not sure where this was directed at either.

Really, come on man. Also go to the thread about cocky w your freshman, kenny hill starting qb, what's different about your crappy front 7,etc.

Btubs why is everyone expecting a converted qb to be all world sec as a freshman, his main trait is speed and the kid isn't a 4.3 guy, just asking.
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