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Old 08-22-2014, 09:06 AM   #101
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Mike Davis is always hurt!
Yep, He seems to pull himself out of games a lot. Not sure what's up with that, but it is very noticeable. He needs to toughen up. Maybe he's trying to save himself for the NFL.
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I would be more worried about Williams taking one the distance, correct me if I'm wrong cockytalk, but isn't David 2nd or 3rd fastest player on the team as well?
Second with like a 4.37 or so on the 40. He weighs in at 215 to go with that speed. Really excited to see him get some carries.
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All of you that have taken his comments and ran with them should feel silly.
The SEC network guys should feel really silly then
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Call it what you will but to Coach Spurrier if you are not fit to practice you are not fit to play. It is interesting though....on the front page of the State paper it has a pic of MD with title that he is back to practice. I think the message was sent and received pretty clearly.
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Call it what you will but to Coach Spurrier if you are not fit to practice you are not fit to play. It is interesting though....on the front page of the State paper it has a pic of MD with title that he is back to practice. I think the message was sent and received pretty clearly.
I personally love the fact that SOS will not put up with it. The message it shows is that no one is bigger than the team. No matter how good you are.
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His lingering injuries last year were never properly explained and he seemed to get "dinged" a lot.

Sometimes I think I'd give up a tiny bit of speed in favor of more fat -- not muscle, but good old-fashioned fat -- on some of these players. Fat is what protects the body from collisions, not muscle (not to the same degree).

Some of these players are nearly 100% muscle (not literally, of course) which gives them tremendous athletic ability but it also keeps them from being as durable as they could be otherwise.

I think Davis needs to have a good talk with Coach and be honest and say, "Coach, Brandon is great a plowing the field and I think he could help us wear down a defense. It might make sense for him to get the bulk of carries early to wear them down and then let me come in with fresh legs. If I get a decent hole, I'm going to take it to the house."

Of course, Brandon could take it all the way with a nice hole to run through, too. He's got a very good set of wheels himself.

Personally, I think Wilds is the key to this year. If he stays healthy he can a) wear down defenses and create nice screens and blocking where needed; b) carry the load if Davis gets hurt.

And, yes, Brandon could use a few pounds of lard on him as well.

We've got to keep these guys from getting hurt.
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I see where you are coming from, the players name and personality is his brand etc. maybe I'm na´ve, but I can't see anyone other than media covering college football and gamecock fans following the twitting of Davis. Thus, fans who he would have otherwise and media stories off his twitter are all he will gain. The media doesn't run with positive stories, only negative so I don't see what's to gain there.



Clowney didn't get anymore endorsement money because of this twitter following and I doubt Davis will either. I just seems to me at this stage in their career it's more of a liability than a benefit.



However, if the rules change and college players can actually make money with their own image during their college career then I change my stance.



Doubt Clowney is doing this for free.. He's capitalizing on a huge social media following.


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The SEC network guys should feel really silly then

Gamecock fans should be more accustomed to Spurrier's verbal tactics more than those guys.
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Also true
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His lingering injuries last year were never properly explained and he seemed to get "dinged" a lot.

Sometimes I think I'd give up a tiny bit of speed in favor of more fat -- not muscle, but good old-fashioned fat -- on some of these players. Fat is what protects the body from collisions, not muscle (not to the same degree).

Some of these players are nearly 100% muscle (not literally, of course) which gives them tremendous athletic ability but it also keeps them from being as durable as they could be otherwise.

I think Davis needs to have a good talk with Coach and be honest and say, "Coach, Brandon is great a plowing the field and I think he could help us wear down a defense. It might make sense for him to get the bulk of carries early to wear them down and then let me come in with fresh legs. If I get a decent hole, I'm going to take it to the house."

Of course, Brandon could take it all the way with a nice hole to run through, too. He's got a very good set of wheels himself.

Personally, I think Wilds is the key to this year. If he stays healthy he can a) wear down defenses and create nice screens and blocking where needed; b) carry the load if Davis gets hurt.

And, yes, Brandon could use a few pounds of lard on him as well.

We've got to keep these guys from getting hurt.
Then why the hell am I getting hurt?...'cause I'm a fatass....
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I wasn't talking about NFL players and Clowney was a media darling and a freak of nature. He had a brand before he even came to college so I would consider him an outlier.

I agree that there is something to be said about educating these kids on social media and it's use for networking, self promotion etc. My point is a player like Mike Davis who is on the fringe of national spot light might make a small difference in his brand but it isn't worth the risk to the University. Let's take a 3rd string DL...they would have just as much right to do this but with smaller gain potential and the same risk.

Two things I don't like, a private issue between a coach and player being hashed out on twitter and interviews and second the potential for NCAA issues to come to light. Our recent issues all stemmed from some mindless twitting.
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I wasn't talking about NFL players and Clowney was a media darling and a freak of nature. He had a brand before he even came to college so I would consider him an outlier.

I agree that there is something to be said about educating these kids on social media and it's use for networking, self promotion etc. My point is a player like Mike Davis who is on the fringe of national spot light might make a small difference in his brand but it isn't worth the risk to the University. Let's take a 3rd string DL...they would have just as much right to do this but with smaller gain potential and the same risk.

Two things I don't like, a private issue between a coach and player being hashed out on twitter and interviews and second the potential for NCAA issues to come to light. Our recent issues all stemmed from some mindless twitting.
Solid points. I was just trying to show that attracting and maintaining a social media following in college could in fact lead to endorsement deals early in a player's pro career. Some of that is done by tweeting interesting things that make people talk - like Mike is doing now. You're right that Clowney is an extreme example but it was just one that flashed across my timeline right after I read some of this thread.

Totally agree that if this is a real issue between MD and Spurrier they should resolve it behind closed doors, but I think this is more of Spurrier just throwing media bait out there than anything else. He's usually pretty straightforward with attitude issues when that's the case.
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I think if we can keep him around 15 carries a game, he should make it through the entire season.

Maybe a distribution of:

Davis - 15
Wilds - 15
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I just don't see anyway you can't split Davis and Wilds 50/50 if both are healthy.
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I think if we can keep him around 15 carries a game, he should make it through the entire season.

Maybe a distribution of:

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I just don't see anyway you can't split Davis and Wilds 50/50 if both are healthy.
I don't disagree with that's how you probably SHOULD see it, but I doubt we see Carson and Williams getting 10 carries a game combined and as long as Davis is producing, I see him getting the lions share

Davis - 25
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If Mike Davis is getting 20-25 carries a game, he won't make it past midseason without some lingering injury.

Fans were asking at the early part of last year why he was only getting around 15 a game and when they finally turned him loose, he limped all the way to the end of the season. His body just can't hold up to the beating. He is more of a lightning back than thunder.
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Star ratings reflect only the published offers a player has received, and the number of and conference of schools that are recruiting the player in high school. Star ratings are also tilted toward larger populated to passionate school fan-bases. If your school has a lot of passionate fans, the recruiting services will tend to rate players higher.

They also factor in the published ratings of competitor rating systems, which are somewhat driven by the media pressure to advertise. Here is an example:

Player A is being recruited by Texas A&M. Keep in mind that schools start the recruiting process very early, sometimes as early as Freshman year in high school. A&M makes contact and is involved with the young man.

A recruiting reporter calls the family of Player A. He learns that A&M is recruiting the player as a freshman. Therefore, he assigns the player a 4 star rating (or maybe just a high 3 star). As more schools begin to recruit the player, the star rating gets bumped up.

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Notice I have not written anything about raw talent.
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If Mike Davis is getting 20-25 carries a game, he won't make it past midseason without some lingering injury.

Fans were asking at the early part of last year why he was only getting around 15 a game and when they finally turned him loose, he limped all the way to the end of the season. His body just can't hold up to the beating. He is more of a lightning back than thunder.
If Davis only gets 15 a game, he won't have any shot at post-season awards or putting up eye popping numbers.

On the other hand, he can't handle more than 15/game. Makes you wonder about his ability to last in the NFL.

I agree with you, though.
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