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Old 08-24-2014, 03:00 PM   #21
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Why do people continue to use this as an argument? Shaw was playing with the 3rd stringers too.
Add in that Manziel was in the previous drive with the same 3rd stringers and only moved the ball because of penalties.
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Old 08-24-2014, 03:41 PM   #22
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they do not want other teams to get much of a look at him.

They will likely cut Shaw and try to claim him on waivers.

[/list]Rex Grossman is not eligible to go to the practice squad so he is their #3 QB behind Brian Hoyer and Johnny Manziel.

My point is that the Browns will hurt their plans by playing Connor Shaw in the preseason because when they cut him, either this week or next, they will have less than a chance to claim him off waivers if other teams see what he can do.
This makes complete sense. And to the point of he OP, if Connor was frustrated at this point I would be shocked. He is too smart to be negative or emotional. I'm not saying he doesn't get frustrated but he realizes what's going on, I'm sure. It would be so out of character for him to show that kind of emotion. He is using his IQ to learn and implement a winning plan for his career.
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Johnny is a ticking time bomb. The media is just waiting to rip him apart. He will eventually fall & fall hard, just wait on it.
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Johnny is a ticking time bomb. The media is just waiting to rip him apart. He will eventually fall & fall hard, just wait on it.
Sure seems that way. It's almost as JF is purposefully trying to redefine his "F."
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Default Re: Is Connor Shaw the most frustrated player in the NFL?

It's possible his wife is due soon to give birth to their child if it hasn't already happened.
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It's possible his wife is due soon to give birth to their child if it hasn't already happened.

That has nothing to do with why he wasn't on the field the other night or the possibility of him getting cut.
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Guys, sorry to break it to you, but Conner will not start for the Browns. He had two "good" series and that was it. If he is lucky he gets dropped and some other struggling NFL team picks him up, I know he was solid for your team, but my bet is he never plays an actual legal season NFL snap
Not saying JFF is a world beater and become the next Peyton Manning or even make it himself, but Connor will not make it in the NFL.
I don't think anyone here has argued that Connor should be the starter.

The simple fact is that with how he played the other night he deserved the opportunity to get a closer look. Or, at the very least, get the same amount of time. Instead, he got NO playing time.

Hoyer still looked pedestrian and Manziel did most of his damage against the same level of competition that Connor lit up. Plus, Manziel took a couple of sacks from a guy who may very well not even get picked up.
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I have said numerous times on this board that I like Shaw and I think he deserves a chance, but to say he is better than JFF, that is a huge stretch. He got his shot and did very well, hopefully he gets one elsewhere too.
I'll say it.. SHAW IS BETTER THAN MANZIEL!! You heard it here first..!!!
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Default Re: Is Connor Shaw the most frustrated player in the NFL?

Ironically, Sam Bradford's knee injury last night might open something up for Connor on the Rams.

A proven coach like Jeff Fisher would know how to use Connor.
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Either Pettine is the worst coach in the NFL or he just hates Connor Shaw. It had to be torture for Shaw to simply sit on the sidelines last night while Hoyer stunk it up for the whole first half. Johnny played better than he did last time out, but still never looked as crisp as Shaw did.

It's clear the Browns have no intention of even giving Shaw the closer look he earned the other night so I hope they do the right thing and let him go so he can catch on with another team.

You guys are hilarious. Shaw looked horrible to mediocre for all of training camp, and he played one good quarter of ball making 9 passing attempts against 3rd string players.

HIT THE BRAKES. I do agree that he is stuck in a horrible situation being behind Hoyer and Manziel.
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You guys are hilarious. Shaw looked horrible to mediocre for all of training camp, and he played one good quarter of ball making 9 passing attempts against 3rd string players.

HIT THE BRAKES. I do agree that he is stuck in a horrible situation being behind Hoyer and Manziel.
So Manziel looking average against these same backup players makes him god? Connor can only do what they give him the chance to do. They gave him the chance to throw 9 passes, and he made the best out of them. I wish they would have given him more chances to show what he could do, but they didn't. In a few years when Connor is somewhere else, and Cleveland is still Cleveland he will be glad they didn't give him a shot.
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You guys are hilarious. Shaw looked horrible to mediocre for all of training camp, and he played one good quarter of ball making 9 passing attempts against 3rd string players.

HIT THE BRAKES. I do agree that he is stuck in a horrible situation being behind Hoyer and Manziel.
Can you link to his training camp stats? Or were you there in person?
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Actually, Hilarious is reading Aggie posts over the years making excuses for Johnny Failures behavior. That was freaking funny.


Johnny "Ryan Leaf" Manziel will be out of the league within 3 years.
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Old 08-24-2014, 06:49 PM   #34
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So Manziel looking average against these same backup players makes him god? Connor can only do what they give him the chance to do. They gave him the chance to throw 9 passes, and he made the best out of them. I wish they would have given him more chances to show what he could do, but they didn't. In a few years when Connor is somewhere else, and Cleveland is still Cleveland he will be glad they didn't give him a shot.
That's exactly the point. What have each of the QBs done with the chances they've been given? Hoyer looks like poo against anyone. Manziel looked like poo against first stringers and thoroughly average against the rest. Connor lit up the same level of competition against which Manziel looked just ok.
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Since starters are usually done after the 3rd preseason game, Connor SHOULD get some significant snaps in the 4th game.
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Old 08-24-2014, 07:25 PM   #36
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I think Marcus is probably a little bit more frustrated that Connor...he is getting close to two years (including the last half of his last year at Carolina) without even getting on the field let alone getting a carry.
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It really is kind of a messed up situation. On the surface of it, it makes ZERO sense. I mean the purpose of a QB competition should be to discover who the best QB is for the team and PLAY that QB. If you cut the best one, how can you expect the best results?

There should be no biases, no built in advantages...but there are. Unfortunately money complicates things and it clouds judgement. That's what it's doing right here in front of our eyes. The Browns never planned on giving Shaw a legitimate chance. Manziel has all the job security in the world.

Of course you can say they have to give Manziel the reigns because they invested so much in him right? But isn't the whole purpose of all this to win games?


And you wonder why the Browns go through a new QB every.single.year.
Yeah no one on Cockytalk is bias for Shaw???? LOL He played well against the scrubs of one team and we have him as the starter, not one of us has been to a Brown's practice that I'm aware of but it is the Brown's coaches being bias not the Gamecock fans...Shaw will get his shot, but it makes more sense to cut him and sign him off waivers while not letting any other team see him again though I think we see a good bit of Shaw in the Brown's last preseason game.
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If he gets cut for a practice squad stash, I hope the Rams scoop him up. They need more QBs after losing Bradford.
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You guys are hilarious. Shaw looked horrible to mediocre for all of training camp, and he played one good quarter of ball making 9 passing attempts against 3rd string players.

HIT THE BRAKES. I do agree that he is stuck in a horrible situation being behind Hoyer and Manziel.
Yet, he still has done better than Manziel in camp and preseason games. So what's that say about Manziel that he is the chosen one and get every chance to look good and still looks like crap. Manziel will be a huge bust. He was overrated in college and is another media overhyped player to bust in the NFL.
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If Shaw was so great, why did none of the 32 NFL teams draft him?
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