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Old 08-29-2014, 02:01 AM   #81
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Default Re: Lorenzo Ward's Play calling

To be honest every single one of us should have known the line was going to look terrible when they were trying to run a 3-4 scheme with 4-2-5 size players. Add that to the fact that A&M probably has the best line in the SEC and we were doomed from the start.

3-4 needs to go. Now. English is not the type of player that is able to play inside the tackle right now. He's an edge rusher.
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The lack of halftime adjustments is what really surprises and bothers me most. Ward has shown a good knack for retooling things in-game in the past, so to see us trot out and go right back to getting torched was troubling.
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I think Ward and Deke should be gone. Hire Brad back as the new DC

Lawing isn't the answer as DC, but neither is Ward IMO. Lawing also screwed up things in Columbia for himself and the team. If it wasn't for his indiscretions, Deke would have never been hired in the first place.

With the state of our defense right now, every team we face with an average passing game will have us all on the edge of our seats.
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Scrap the 3-4. Do what we do, and hope the players grow into it. Once I heard 3-4 being thrown around, I knew something might be wrong.

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yea, he's the one responsible for our front 4....
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Scrap the 3-4. Do what we do, and hope the players grow into it. Once I heard 3-4 being thrown around, I knew something might be wrong.

Can we get Ellis Johnson back?
part of the problem is we don't hit much during camp....so we're always behind the first few weeks of the season....I just don't see any game changers on the DL along with little experience among the CB. The long passes for TD's actually hurt us with time of possession and once we wore down, it was over.
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true. No one on defense played like they wanted to hit someone. Not physical at all.
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here's a stat for you.....we ran the 3-4 (3 down lineman) 78% of the time and gave up an average of almost 8 yards per play......we ran the 4-3 (4 down lineman) 22% of the time and gave up an average of 4.4 yards per play.

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On defense tonight we played with a 3 man front 72% of the time. On those plays we gave up 7.7yds per play.
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here's a stat for you.....we ran the 3-4 (3 down lineman) 78% of the time and gave up an average of almost 8 yards per play......we ran the 4-3 (4 down lineman) 22% of the time and gave up an average of 4.4 yards per play.

Whammy, are you listening....
Guess you're watching SEC Now too lol
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On defense tonight we played with a 3 man front 72% of the time. On those plays we gave up 7.7yds per play.
I'm guessing that's the play where the middle of the field was wide open. I swear that was half his pass completions. Over the $R%$ middle.
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Ward is a joke. I always thought he didn't get as much out of Clowney as he should have. I thought it was foolish how he always played vanilla packages with Clowney lined up the same way rather than moving him around. Now it looks like it's a fact. He just isn't that good. We assumed he was because the defense always played pretty well, but it was because he inherited lots of talent and Clowney covered up his poor coaching. The year Clowney looked the best was the year Ellis Johnson coached him. That year he came from all angles and was put in positions for amazing plays as a freshman. We need to throw Ward out and pay Johnson as much money as it takes to bring him back if he will do it.

This game just proved his inability. He made zero adjustments. The defense looked like it'd never been coached before. Arm tackles everywhere, missed assignments, no intensity. It just was pathetic. I never rail against this team even when we shit the bed against Tennessee last year, but this game made it completely obvious Ward needs to go.
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I have heard multiple times in interviews with Ward and the players that they are excited about the defense this season b/c they will have more blitz packages and simply be more "aggressive" during the games. Here is my question: Why in the hell would you do that?
I understand that you might want to try and apply pressure on the QB if you don't have a good d-line but that obviously is not our weakness. This makes no sense to me at all. Why would you pull coverage guys out of the 1st and 2nd tier to help apply pressure when we will already get plenty of pressure? All you are doing is taking away coverage guys from an already weak secondary. I know this sounds more exciting and everything to players and fans but I am a lot more happier with the idea of a boring a defense that finishes 3rd in the country by merely using its defensive line to force pressure and make the QB realize that he has no where to throw it b/c 7 other players are in coverage. The defensive line ultimately should be responsible to force turnovers and not mixed blitz packages. If you have that luxury then use it! If we come out blitzing and finish around 50th in the country in defense then don't be surprised.
Everyone knows how aggressive his schemes have been and they use it against us maybe he needs to back the f off for once lol.
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here's a stat for you.....we ran the 3-4 (3 down lineman) 78% of the time and gave up an average of almost 8 yards per play......we ran the 4-3 (4 down lineman) 22% of the time and gave up an average of 4.4 yards per play.

Whammy, are you listening....
Also the players we have on roster were recruited for the 4-3 I just don't get the change at all I thought it made sense from the way all of you spoke about it in the offseason but the linebackers were where tonight? I saw 2 lines all first half it seemed 5 guys on the line and 5 guys 10-20 yards off the line and a 6th guy off screen usually so what was he doing preparing for fake punts on every down that never happened?
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Ward is a joke. I always thought he didn't get as much out of Clowney as he should have. I thought it was foolish how he always played vanilla packages with Clowney lined up the same way rather than moving him around. Now it looks like it's a fact. He just isn't that good. We assumed he was because the defense always played pretty well, but it was because he inherited lots of talent and Clowney covered up his poor coaching. The year Clowney looked the best was the year Ellis Johnson coached him. That year he came from all angles and was put in positions for amazing plays as a freshman. We need to throw Ward out and pay Johnson as much money as it takes to bring him back if he will do it.

This game just proved his inability. He made zero adjustments. The defense looked like it'd never been coached before. Arm tackles everywhere, missed assignments, no intensity. It just was pathetic. I never rail against this team even when we shit the bed against Tennessee last year, but this game made it completely obvious Ward needs to go.

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theres a couple things wrong about that statement though. clowney's 2012 season was under ward though lawing was still here. there wasnt a ton of moving around with clowney that season and when we did it wasnt terribly effective, pretty much all his damage was done from the same defensive end spot. what helped clowney beside his own dominance was having a veterans rabbits package of devin taylor on the bookend, chaz sutton, and senior defensive end aldrick fordham playing the dt's in that set. we also had a veteran lb core and dj swearinger in the secondary. even if you want to go back to his freshman season even though it wasnt as good as his 2012 season, he pretty much came exclusively from that de position only with melvin ingram beside him.


its an awful start and he doesnt have the crutch of an all sec or all american pass rusher(s) right now. hes going to have coach better than he ever has and make all the right calls. he certainly didnt do that in the opener. i think we tried different things vs a&m but i dont think we were ever in sync between the different levels of the defense. i dont really like this 3-3-5 with our personnel especially on early downs because i think it makes us way too susceptible to giving up good gains on the ground and then we never end up in a position where the other team is forced to throw and even on the obvious passing downs their draw plays were wide open.
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The 3-whatever defense sucked. It needs to be scrapped now which will pretty much make for a wasted fall training camp. I predict if it is not scrapped now, it will be after E. Carolina because they were just given a blueprint on how to pick us apart and probably have the athletes to do it offensively.
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He's an average coach at best with talent. We don't have any now up front nor are we close to having it in the secondary. Little talent plus average coaching equals 511 passing yards.
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Ward's now on the "hot seat". I say he's gone at the end of the season, one way or another.

What an 'effing hack. Having almost 700 yards hung on you is a disgrace.
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