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Old 08-29-2014, 08:06 AM   #1
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So looking at our situation on defense with playing so many true freshman. Did this happen because of the smaller class numbers? Or just poor planning?
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:13 AM   #2
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Whiffed on a ton of DB's class before this last one, totally failed in addressing that need. Hampton left early and christian transferred (both poor decisions). Whiffed on a bunch of DL in that class as well and signed a bunch of nonqualifiers in the last class. Also, the DL we have don't appear to be in shape and well coached; a continuation of the theme from last season, imop. Everyone overrated the linebackers, they we pretty good last season for froshies and got better over the season, but let's be honest, the brinkleys and hell even the lindseys would start and star on this squad in a second.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:21 AM   #3
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Missing out on Sawyer and Jhaustin Thomas who are both big DEs hurt us badly. Last night we got absolutely no push or penetration from our d line and it was tough to see. I guess we have been spoiled the past few yard watching good d lines.
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Whiffed on a ton of DB's class before this last one, totally failed in addressing that need. Hampton left early and christian transferred (both poor decisions). Whiffed on a bunch of DL in that class as well and signed a bunch of nonqualifiers in the last class. Also, the DL we have don't appear to be in shape and well coached; a continuation of the theme from last season, imop. Everyone overrated the linebackers, they we pretty good last season for froshies and got better over the season, but let's be honest, the brinkleys and hell even the lindseys would start and star on this squad in a second.
Only one game but I agree with you about the coaching. There is a huge difference between Lawing and Adams, and a very obvious one.
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I put this somewhere else too but I feel like the defense especially is constantly reacting instead of planning. Last year it was we are out of CBs, the year before it was LBs, this year it will be Dline. I can think of little excuses to have, what 3 or 4 Freshman and a few of which with about 8 or 10 weeks of practice, playing in the defensive backfield.
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our classes seem to be cyclical. top 5 or so about 1 out of every 4 years. the other years are around 20 but we also have 1 out of 5 years where we are down around 35. Some of it is numbers but it makes you wonder if getting a more consistent recruiting class needs to be a focus for SOS and staff.

A lot of people say stars don't matter, just coach em up. Not sure either is an absolute answer. my opinion is you want to get consistently better, get consistently better talent.
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Fall prep needs to change the team we saw last night is the team we see every opening game.
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Hopefully A&M's line is just that good, and I cannot imagine a worse offensive match up to start the year with when playing CB's with no experience.
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Recruiting poorly translates to a weak on-field performance? Oh, weird. Don't say this on the recruiting board, though, or you'll get banned. Trust me, I know.

We always seem to have positional unit problems year by year and this (DE, CB) is just another example in a long line of them. We missed on 3 DEs last year (one of them for the second time) and never truly capitalized on the Clowney hype at that position. CB had some attrition but we still recruited poorly there, too.

To be fair, the past few years have been absolutely brutal for local talent. You're seeing that reality manifested on the field.
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They definitely lived up to the hype. Our OL on the other hand....
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To be fair, the past few years have been absolutely brutal for local talent. You're seeing that reality manifested on the field.
That's true. It's been like 4 years since we've had a real good in state class. The highschools are also turning out far too many non-qualifiers (guys like Marquavius lewis are wasting two years). The kids families probably need to move to rock hill where they seem to have the resources to get them qualified. Also, lets not forget we're just coming off the self-imposed penalties.
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Old 08-29-2014, 12:22 PM   #12
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Recruiting poorly translates to a weak on-field performance? Oh, weird. Don't say this on the recruiting board, though, or you'll get banned. Trust me, I know.

We always seem to have positional unit problems year by year and this (DE, CB) is just another example in a long line of them. We missed on 3 DEs last year (one of them for the second time) and never truly capitalized on the Clowney hype at that position. CB had some attrition but we still recruited poorly there, too.

To be fair, the past few years have been absolutely brutal for local talent. You're seeing that reality manifested on the field.
Not saying I disagree, but somehow Michigan State is able to field a ferocious, smash-mouth defense every year with pretty much all 3* and lower.
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Not saying I disagree, but somehow Michigan State is able to field a ferocious, smash-mouth defense every year with pretty much all 3* and lower.
I didn't mention stars at all. My point is that we have recruited unevenly over the past years and we always seem to be scrambling to plug holes in the roster. We also wasted time chasing non-qualifiers (seriously, the word was out on Sawyer and Wideman months before we landed them and Thomas failed to qualify twice).

FWIW, I think our defense has immense talent. It simply isn't being properly utilized, the roster hasn't been managed well, and we are young in all the wrong places.
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yeah i don't focus on the star ratings per se, but the class before this most recent one was an almost absolute failure with respect to addressing our needs.
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Only one game but I agree with you about the coaching. There is a huge difference between Lawing and Adams, and a very obvious one.
the starting 4 on the DL are Lawing's players.....
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Hopefully A&M's line is just that good, and I cannot imagine a worse offensive match up to start the year with when playing CB's with no experience.
this....it doesn't excuse all the mistakes, but for young players to try to learn the 3-4 and the 4-3 was a recipe for disaster.
72% of plays we ran the 3-4 for an average of 7.7 yards per play
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They definitely lived up to the hype. Our OL on the other hand....
our OL did OK on passing plays for the most part, but didn't run block well at all.....I think some of that is a function of the plays we run in practice......
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our classes seem to be cyclical. top 5 or so about 1 out of every 4 years. the other years are around 20 but we also have 1 out of 5 years where we are down around 35. Some of it is numbers but it makes you wonder if getting a more consistent recruiting class needs to be a focus for SOS and staff.

A lot of people say stars don't matter, just coach em up. Not sure either is an absolute answer. my opinion is you want to get consistently better, get consistently better talent.
A lot of our coaches come from places where the ratings of the guys don't matter and they are just happy to get a body there. With the exception of our current class this has hurt us bad in the past few years.
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Not saying I disagree, but somehow Michigan State is able to field a ferocious, smash-mouth defense every year with pretty much all 3* and lower.
If the development is there it can be done that way. Plus their conference is down lately.
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Not saying I disagree, but somehow Michigan State is able to field a ferocious, smash-mouth defense every year with pretty much all 3* and lower.
They also play against Big Ten offenses.
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