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Old 08-29-2014, 10:09 AM   #121
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Defense stunk. But the Offense was nothing to write home about either. QB play was far worse than I thought it would be and the O-line was horrible.
Both sides of the ball were out played.
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Old 08-29-2014, 10:10 AM   #122
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The defense was nonexistent - their offense basically just got some good practice in. Our offense was extremely inconsistent, at times DT was throwing to nobody. Don't know when I've seen a more complete beat down - and I've been watching Carolina football a LONG time.
Not long enough, apparently. FSU 1988 was worse. Look it up. Also Florida 1995, and Tennessee 1995 for that matter. This one was bad, but we've had plenty worse. This one just seems worse because we actually expect to be good now.
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Defense stunk. But the Offense was nothing to write home about either. QB play was far worse than I thought it would be and the O-line was horrible.
Both sides of the ball were out played.
Actually DT set career-highs with 366 yards passing and four touchdowns.
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Old 08-29-2014, 10:11 AM   #124
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"We've got some coaching decisions to make."

^^^^hmmmm.....should any of the defensive assistants be worried when they hear a statement like that?!
Yes!!!

...and I hope so!

Playing the Ellis Johnson "given them a 10-yard cushion" pass defending scheme was insane.

Why not hold up a sign and just say "pass the ball right here to this guy!"?
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Old 08-29-2014, 10:15 AM   #125
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Do whatever it takes to get Lawing back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hard to make the personal reasons he left go away. I don't know how many times this has been said, but he did not leave for money, he did not leave to coach at Florida, he left for family reasons. Maybe enough time has passed to bring him back, I don't know. But Adams is a great recruiter and Spurrier has said in many ways he is "better" than Lawing.
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You played secondary, correct? Isn't it easier for young inexperienced players to play straight man? You have 1 guy. Keep that 1 guy. I also agree that you should never play zone in the 3/4

Man is harder to play IMO but when you are getting beat time after time on slant routes it becomes simple. Line up with with inside leverage and send your linebackers every play if you insist on running the 3-4


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Old 08-29-2014, 10:39 AM   #127
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Yup. The whole reason we switched schemes was to cover up a glaring absence of players on the DL.

I wonder what the stats would look like if we could've made tackles in space. Some of their runs I saw 2-3 broken/missed tackles.

On our side, we were absent a running game. Our OL couldn't run block, which is really strange. I can't remember a time when our OL could run block honestly. If we had been able to run the ball, we would've ground down the clock and given them less opportunities to score and given our young D a rest from getting boat raced.

In general, D was abismal no doubt, but perhaps limiting the A&M O's chances would've helped us a little. We tried to play it their way (long bombs, score quick, get off the field) and it didn't work. They dictated the pace of the game, and it's not something we could keep up with obviously.
This. It was crucial that our offense control the ball and keep aTm off the field, and they failed miserably.

We had a reconstituted DL and a green secondary going against a precision passing team with an outstanding OL, why is everyone so shocked our defense couldn't stop them? We were never going to win this game with defense, we were supposed to win because our offense was going to be even more unstoppable against their shaky D. And *that* is why I put most of the blame for this on the O.
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Actually DT set career-highs with 366 yards passing and four touchdowns.
To be fair, we abandoned the running game early. Plus two deep balls went accounted for 116 years.
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Old 08-29-2014, 10:46 AM   #129
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Here is my question...in the 3-4 why do you have Mason Harris playing DE? In what universe does a 235 pound defense end work in a 3-4?

We simply don't have the personnel to run that scheme...we don't have block eaters on the Dline and we don't have big, physical linebackers.

You want to see what a true 3-4 looks like, look at Alabama or the damn Steelers...Big Dlinemen that can eat blocks and use technique and physical linebackers (240-260 lbs).
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Old 08-29-2014, 10:53 AM   #130
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Hard to make the personal reasons he left go away. I don't know how many times this has been said, but he did not leave for money, he did not leave to coach at Florida, he left for family reasons. Maybe enough time has passed to bring him back, I don't know. But Adams is a great recruiter and Spurrier has said in many ways he is "better" than Lawing.
I chuckle when people clamor to have Lawing back.

For starters, his supporters must forget his DL that got run over and outplayed on several occasions. And second, he was a lazy recruiter, cost us Carlos Dunlap, and got us in trouble for contacting players during dead times.
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Old 08-29-2014, 10:56 AM   #131
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Couple of things:

1) If you haven't watched the post game press conference, you should watch it. The quotes that started this thread are spliced and butchered. SOS was upset. He was upset with the D and the O. He was more upset with the D, but the D was worse. He said they have to make some coaching decisions in order to generate a pass rush. Which, I 100% agree with. You don't have to get sacks against that kind of O, but you have to make him hurry. He had all day. all day. The coverage was awful too, but having Clowney Quarels and Sutton maskde that.

2) We are replacing our best 3 players and most of our Dline. Our best QB in school history is gone. The No.1 draft pick and most dominating player in CFB is gone, and two other very good Dlinemen are gone. You are seeing it play out. We don't have the horses to just reload like Bama, OSU, even A&M. Instead, we have to rebuild. We will improve as the season progresses, and we will find a scheme that works. If we can somehow beat UGA, all of our goals are still out there. Now, we look like a 7 win team right now. But, who knows?
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:00 AM   #132
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the reasoning behind that is we were desperate to apply pressure. we've had guys mention the need for a huge nose guard but that wouldnt have helped us against their passing game because that huge nose guard wouldnt have eaten up two blockers on passing plays unless he was an explosive pass rusher as well.
alabama hasnt been a great pass rushing team throughout the saban run. if we had a big space eater maybe we would have done a better job on some of their running plays, but it would havent made much of a difference on those 1st down throws that were eating us alive all night.
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Blaming the defense is futile. The offense was terribly one-sided...no run game, and all long balls. Is Spurrier going to call himself out?
They might have scored 40 if they weren't in desperation mode because we were playing catch up literally the entire game.

This is on defense. They are the ones who allowed 52 points.
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Anyone else miss Clowney? My God it was so nice to have him.
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:09 AM   #135
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This. It was crucial that our offense control the ball and keep aTm off the field, and they failed miserably.

We had a reconstituted DL and a green secondary going against a precision passing team with an outstanding OL, why is everyone so shocked our defense couldn't stop them? We were never going to win this game with defense, we were supposed to win because our offense was going to be even more unstoppable against their shaky D. And *that* is why I put most of the blame for this on the O.
Good points.

Clemson runs a similar offense, and the key to us winning 5 years in a row was following the same blueprint...control the ball, control the clock, and pressure the QB.

For whatever reason we abandoned that blueprint and commenced to throwing the ball all over the field.

That series when we had 3rd and 1 and DT threw the long interception reminded me of the earlier Spurrier years here when he insisted on the chuck n' duck offense no matter what. 3rd and 1, we were getting momentum, a TD would've made it a 10 point game. Instead of running the ball, getting the 1st and a new set of downs, someone misses a block causing Dylan to get drilled when he was releasing the ball, and that broke our backs.

The defense didn't look good at all, but we looked like offensively we just "drew up some ball plays" on a napkin and decided to "throw it around" a bit.

That's not what got us 3 straight 11 win seasons or 18 straight home wins. Fans want to blame Ward, blame Adams, or blame special teams, I blame the HBC. We were outcoached, outplanned, and outplayed. Period.
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I think the DB's will get better but it will take some time. The DL is going to be an issue. The talent just isn't there. Hopefully some of the guys from prep/juco will be ready to play in 2015.

This is the year we really could have used a Big-10 style 3-4 weeks of cupcakes to start the season. Having A&M and UGA in our first three weeks is not going to be fun. The ECU game is probably going to be a nail biter as well.
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:15 AM   #137
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The run game sucked really really bad and we had to go for the knockout swing bc it was the only thing that worked. It was a flaw in their defense so it was the obvious choice. Instead of jab-jab-punch type game plan, which wears the other team down. I mean, the last thing we wanted to do is score quickly and get atm's O back on the field but it's all we had. The TE's and WR's were the only ones to show the heart last night, the rest goes without saying. I'm not sure why the coverage was so bad when it was clear ATM had no intentions on running.
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Old 08-29-2014, 11:17 AM   #138
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I totally expected MD28 to go out there and go bowling. His performance was greatly disappointing. If we're going to contend, we need him.
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I'll say one more thing, ATM did their homework. When Dylan handed the ball off to Byrd for the jet sweep, it was like ATM was expecting it and Damiere got BLOWN UP.
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