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Old 08-29-2014, 08:25 AM   #41
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I totally disagree with the Jimmys vs Joes argument.

If that were the case, SOS and everyone would know about that well and I mean well before this game and should have been coaching/game planning for this for a
while. By what I saw on the field, that did not occur.

They may have better players, but the gap in talent was not that wide...

To give this argument completely forgives the coaching of this team.
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I totally disagree with the Jimmys vs Joes argument.

If that were the case, SOS and everyone would know about that well and I mean well before this game and should have been coaching/game planning for this for a
while. By what I saw on the field, that did not occur.

They may have better players, but the gap in talent was not that wide...

To give this argument completely forgives the coaching of this team.
The gap in talent IS that different. Are you serious? They have a bunch of 6' 4'' receivers that are solid muscle running 4.4's. An offensive line that probably has at least three future NFL players on it. Just look at their players compared to USC's. I'm also sick of hearing how good of a coach Shawn Elliot is. The o-line hasn't gotten any better since he's been here. His players are finally in the system and on paper they look great, but what happened last night? TAMU was one of the worst teams in the country on defense last year, now they look like all-americans. If you think there isn't a gap in talent, you're blind.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:39 AM   #43
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I didn't say there wasn't a gap in talent, but that is not the only reason for what we saw. Gaps in talent do not automatically mean a loss

And if there is a gap in talent, how can we explain our wins over Bama, Florida and other teams from years past?
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:49 AM   #44
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I didn't say there wasn't a gap in talent, but that is not the only reason for what we saw. Gaps in talent do not automatically mean a loss

And if there is a gap in talent, how can we explain our wins over Bama, Florida and other teams from years past?
Because USC had MAJOR talent then. From 2010 when USC beat Bama, here are some names on the team(you might recognize many of them are now in the NFL)

Marcus Lattimore
Patrick Dimarco
Bruce Ellington
Alshon Jeffery
Ace Sanders
Melvin Ingram
Travian Robertson
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Chaz Sutton
Antonio Allen
Stephon Gilmore
Devonte Holloman
DJ Swearinger
Spencer Lanning

That's all from just the 2010 team, all but one I believe are currently in the NFL. There are what, two or three players who might go in the NFL on this team right now.
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Well Whammy you were wrong. I would take that 2010 Defense over this one, even two years from now.
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Old 08-29-2014, 09:24 AM   #46
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I didn't say there wasn't a gap in talent, but that is not the only reason for what we saw. Gaps in talent do not automatically mean a loss

And if there is a gap in talent, how can we explain our wins over Bama, Florida and other teams from years past?
There was nothing and I mean nothing schematically that could've been adjusted to stop aTm last night. They just had better players that our guys couldn't match up with. That's fact.
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They had a great OL, and incredible WR's.

We had a DL patched together and young DBs...didn't the freshman DB's miss some of camp due to the NCAA as well?

No wonder we're recruting JuCo's.
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There was nothing and I mean nothing schematically that could've been adjusted to stop aTm last night. They just had better players that our guys couldn't match up with. That's fact.
Well I watched the game through the end of the 3rd quarter. Just as a guess right now I think A&M loses to Alabama and Auburn (both road games).

I have a hunch they lose to LSU at home, and possibilities of losses at Mississippi State and at home to Mississippi.

We didn't take advantage of it, but there are a lot of holes in that defense that weren't exposed last night (and I'm not talking about the long ball).

Their defense is going to look like ours did last night when they play Auburn. And their offense isn't going to look nearly as good against LSU and Alabama.

I think true power running teams are going to do very well against that defense, whether if you do it in the I like Alabama and LSU, or with a spread like Auburn and Mississippi State.

Guess it depends on how good Kenny Hill actually is. Last night it looked like a scrimmage for him. LSU and Alabama both have the athletes to deal with their talent, and they are going to be in a scoreathon with Auburn. He might be the next Winston, but usually guys have some mistakes in them the first time they are starting. It's just that he was never in a situation where he plausibly might make a mistake. The receivers were open all night, he had plenty of time to throw the ball, the receivers were giants compared to the db's, and the running game was clicking.
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I totally disagree with the Jimmys vs Joes argument.

If that were the case, SOS and everyone would know about that well and I mean well before this game and should have been coaching/game planning for this for a
while. By what I saw on the field, that did not occur.

They may have better players, but the gap in talent was not that wide...

To give this argument completely forgives the coaching of this team.
The gap in talent IS that wide AND the coaching stinks...
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Give Cover2 credit, most people on this board don't WANT to believe that it's a talent gap. If it's schematic it can be fixed this week and we can get rolling. If it's talent there's nothing we can do but sit around and "wait until next year." (or the next, or the next....)
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How can this be when I was told time and again that we don't recruit stars, stars mean nothing, and that we were recruiting to fill our needs?
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Spot on.
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I didn't say there wasn't a gap in talent, but that is not the only reason for what we saw. Gaps in talent do not automatically mean a loss

And if there is a gap in talent, how can we explain our wins over Bama, Florida and other teams from years past?
I think you're right. The gaps in talent reared their ugly head where our weaknesses were, specifically in the secondary and on the DL.

It doesn't explain it all though. Not sure why our OL isn't more dominant. We are forever in search of a run game....it seems if we want anything resembling one, we have to get an out-of-this-world prospect and expect him to do it all on his own without any OL push.
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no question they played better than we did, but I still do not buy the talent argument. That is way to easy to give the coaches a pass. I counted 8 4 star athletes that we had play on defense at one point or another in the game last night. We will never recruit better than that. So if there is a talent issue, it is still a coaching issue as they cant pick the right 4 star athletes. Bad tackling = bad coaching. Not pressing on quick passes = dinked to death. No doubt this was a bad game, but these guys will get better.
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How can this be when I was told time and again that we don't recruit stars, stars mean nothing, and that we were recruiting to fill our needs?
Because, due to unexpected attrition and academic issues for the incoming recruiting class (including our freshman DB's that we are counting on this year missing some practices due to the NCAA) our needs weren't met.
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If it is talent, then things are never going to get better.

We are recruiting better than we ever have, and honestly are pretty much at our ceiling as far as being able to recruit star players. Well barring getting a recruiting machine coach like Saban or Franklin.

But come on. We have all watched a lot of college games. We've seen the Boise States beat the big boys, the Louisvilles upset Florida's.

It's not all talent, because otherwise we pencil in Alabama as NC every year, and then it happens. But it doesn't work that way. Sometimes it does, but sometimes it doesn't.
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sunbeam, dead on. We have never had that many highly recruited guys on defense as we did last night. Yes they were bad, but if you believe in star ratings, than we fielded as good a defense as we ever will.
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What? That doesn't make even sense. What adjustments were made at halftime. Personally, I saw none.
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Give Cover2 credit, most people on this board don't WANT to believe that it's a talent gap. If it's schematic it can be fixed this week and we can get rolling. If it's talent there's nothing we can do but sit around and "wait until next year." (or the next, or the next....)
Agreed. Keep telling yourselves it's not talent.
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What? That doesn't make even sense. What adjustments were made at halftime. Personally, I saw none.
Haha...the only halftime "adjustment" was Will Sport in at RG for a lost/confused/overmatched C converted to starting RG after Matulis injury.

BTW-we did have better running success to the right side w/ Wilds in the 2nd half.

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