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Old 08-29-2014, 07:46 AM   #1
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Default David Williams??

Since Spurrier has been here he seems to favor tenure over talent. Why did we see Wilds and Carson but no Williams? Wilds did OK, Carson is too small. But all I heard for the past year was Williams was a four star yet he never saw the field. Is he hurt? If I had one gripe about SOS since he has been here is he never plays all the running backs or lets any of them get in to a rhythm. We have depth why not use it?

Guess my biggest question will be has Williams been so bad that he can't play or is this SOS being to loyal to upperclassmen while neglecting the more talented underclassmen?
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Old 08-29-2014, 07:51 AM   #2
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Since Spurrier has been here he seems to favor tenure over talent. Why did we see Wilds and Carson but no Williams? Wilds did OK, Carson is too small. But all I heard for the past year was Williams was a four star yet he never saw the field. Is he hurt? If I had one gripe about SOS since he has been here is he never plays all the running backs or lets any of them get in to a rhythm. We have depth why not use it?

Guess my biggest question will be has Williams been so bad that he can't play or is this SOS being to loyal to upperclassmen while neglecting the more talented underclassmen?
The was absolutely no reason why we shouldn't have seen Williams in last night. Or some two back sets.

And Carson needs to learn to find a return lane.

In the end...lack of creative play calling, as usual.
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Old 08-29-2014, 08:17 AM   #3
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i think it boils down to us being down 17 as to why he never got in the game. with us barely running the ball and pass protection and receiving being at a premium i dont believe they ever saw the opportunity to put him in the game in the 2nd half. i dont care if mike is banged up or not, we have no chance to beat good teams with our poor special teams and poor defense to this point without the backs getting the ball a bare minimum 20 times and more likely 25 teams with dylan not being shaw as a runner.

we're going to end up in way too many 3rd and longs and the efficiency is going to go into the toilet.
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Old 08-29-2014, 09:15 AM   #4
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Default Re: David Williams??

There are plenty of reasons why he didn't play.

1. He is fourth on the depth chart and because we were down and had to throw as much as we did, there simply weren't enough touches to go around.

2. His lack of experience probably led SOS to fear a fumble, something we couldn't afford with the porous defense giving up scores on every possession.
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Old 08-29-2014, 09:27 AM   #5
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Bleh, you could have put Marcus back in there and he would have been shut down too. The OL did OK at pass blocking but totally sucked at opening running lanes. The OL sucked almost as much as the DL last night and that is damning indeed.
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It's classic Spurrier.

And the excuse about not running because we were down...we down 3 score with 3 quarters left. It's not like you had to completely abandon a game plan of running the ball.
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Old 08-29-2014, 09:36 AM   #7
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i was hoping to see fresh blood just to see if something could happen.
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Default Re: David Williams??

The excuse that he would have been ineffective is bullshit.

We were down at UCF and the running game is the reason we won.

When you're down by 28 at home in a game like this, you do what you can to get creative and find ways to win. Period.
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Default Re: David Williams??

We were obviously in pass mode and a younger back is not nearly as valuable as a seasoned back. Aside from that, Brandon Wilds is a much better back than any 4 star in the country right now. You do realize if Wilds were rated as a recruit coming out of high school RIGHT NOW he would be a 5 star, as in potential starter, highly likely to make valuable contributions this year to a D1 program.
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We were obviously in pass mode and a younger back is not nearly as valuable as a seasoned back. Aside from that, Brandon Wilds is a much better back than any 4 star in the country right now. You do realize if Wilds were rated as a recruit coming out of high school RIGHT NOW he would be a 5 star, as in potential starter, highly likely to make valuable contributions this year to a D1 program.
I'm not doubting that Wilds isn't a good back...he is and I hope he tears it up (especially if Davis can't get 100%). But Williams is a weapon that needs to be unleashed.

Hell, put them BOTH in there with a two back set. At least try to confuse the D and make something happen. We were "pass happy" because we got behind and had to get desperate. Better / more creative play calling earlier on would have prevented that.

At the very least, when we knew we weren't going to come back, we could have at least put guys like Williams, Orth, Mitch, Noso, etc... in to let them get some reps. Praying we see them get some reps against ECU one way or another.
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We're obviously trying to double redshirt David Williams.
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We're obviously trying to double redshirt David Williams.
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This is the only logical explanation I've seen

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Old 08-29-2014, 03:20 PM   #13
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Thanks for the replies, I am not down on Wilds but he is not a premier back and in no way would he be rated higher than 3 star even today. While I know these mean little once they get to school why get the 4 star guy if you're not going to give him a chance. This has always been my one gripe.
SOS has been the best thing to ever happen to USC and I love him but look back over the years, Maddox, Wilds, and Davis all had to wait behind A Lattimore type guy while TAMU last night used at least 4 running backs. You ride on the back of one or two guys you fall on the back of one or two guys.
I am sure SOS and the coaches know something I don't but no one in the press seems to know Williams even exists and that should be one of the first questions asked. That being said we could have Tony Dorsett Randy Moss and John Elway, give up 700 yards you're still going to lose.
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Sometimes Spurrier's stubbornness hurts us. Why we are running four backs out there is beyond me. Or really even 3. I'm not convinced Shon Carson should be getting touches still. That may sound harsh, but he never finds lanes and he did as bad as I've seen us do on kick returns
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The stars we have had here lately showed promise at some point their freshman year. Let's see who answers the bell after a few more.
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There are plenty of reasons why he didn't play.

1. He is fourth on the depth chart and because we were down and had to throw as much as we did, there simply weren't enough touches to go around.

2. His lack of experience probably led SOS to fear a fumble, something we couldn't afford with the porous defense giving up scores on every possession.
disagree with all of that. we have had unprecedented success over the last four years, with a simple recipe. run the ball mostly, mix in some timely passing, and play tough defense.
at the very least, since we obviously were not going to play tough defense, we needed to run the football to keep their offense off the field.
wilds ran ok, but we were told they would use all four rb's. and they didn't. getting away from our game, is a big part of that meltdown. running the ball, and controlling the clock would have helped that score. it also would have rested our defense, and of course they needed that. there is no excuse for not playing david williams. with an asskicking like that, we should have tried EVERYTHING!!!
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why risk playing Williams and chance he could get hurt....nothing to be gained.....
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Sometimes Spurrier's stubbornness hurts us. Why we are running four backs out there is beyond me. Or really even 3. I'm not convinced Shon Carson should be getting touches still. That may sound harsh, but he never finds lanes and he did as bad as I've seen us do on kick returns
^this Spurriers stubbornness is our biggest hurdle to doing great things. He is great at most things but he reminds me of hitler in he can't see past hurdles that don't really exist and does what he wants to do rather then what is better.
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disagree with all of that. we have had unprecedented success over the last four years, with a simple recipe. run the ball mostly, mix in some timely passing, and play tough defense.
at the very least, since we obviously were not going to play tough defense, we needed to run the football to keep their offense off the field.
wilds ran ok, but we were told they would use all four rb's. and they didn't. getting away from our game, is a big part of that meltdown. running the ball, and controlling the clock would have helped that score. it also would have rested our defense, and of course they needed that. there is no excuse for not playing david williams. with an asskicking like that, we should have tried EVERYTHING!!!
The general consensus is that with Thompson at QB, SOS would usher in the fun n gun days like they had at Florida. Where the running game existed to set up the passing game. I think we saw, though, that Thompson isn't going to be THAT good and we will probably need to continue the formula you mentioned above.
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Maybe he is not a good blocker. Just a guess.
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