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Old 08-30-2014, 02:08 AM   #121
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I just hope Spurrier still has the desire to tough it out if this season tanks. We can't afford to rebuild the coaching staff and we need those DL recruits.
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I couldn't disagree more. Down 10-0 in the first quarter, what we needed to do was score *slowly*, grind it out, wear down their D and give ours a break. We did the opposite and it played right into A&M's hands.
he gets it. Well said my friend we played their game and we aren't built for that no defense shootout crap.
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It's a rebuilding year and I'm optimistic we'll be better next year...provided Lorenzo coaches better.
If he doesn't we won't need to worry about how he coaches next year.
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My biggest fear after watching one of the worst USC Football Games in my life and I have seen a lot of them is the FACT THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE A REAL SEC DEFENSIVE LINEMAN ON OUR TEAM??? If this turns out to be a fact, then we are in for a very ugly season this year! Coach Spurrier has been here too long for us to have this type of D-Line and even though he is not the Defensive Coach, he is the Head Ball Coach and should have seen this coming and made the corrections months ago.

I don't mind losing as it is a part of life and sports, but to get "your butt handed to you on National TV in front of a packed home crowd" is just beyond belief.

Having been a long time Gamecock Fan and having gone through all the bad and ugly years, this really hurts as I thought that we had moved past these type of games. I did not expect us to go 12-0, but I did expect our team to be better prepared and to play a lot better. So, no it will be a long time before I am optimistic about this team again.
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My biggest fear after watching one of the worst USC Football Games in my life and I have seen a lot of them is the FACT THAT WE MAY NOT HAVE A REAL SEC DEFENSIVE LINEMAN ON OUR TEAM??? If this turns out to be a fact, then we are in for a very ugly season this year! Coach Spurrier has been here too long for us to have this type of D-Line and even though he is not the Defensive Coach, he is the Head Ball Coach and should have seen this coming and made the corrections months ago.

I don't mind losing as it is a part of life and sports, but to get "your butt handed to you on National TV in front of a packed home crowd" is just beyond belief.

Having been a long time Gamecock Fan and having gone through all the bad and ugly years, this really hurts as I thought that we had moved past these type of games. I did not expect us to go 12-0, but I did expect our team to be better prepared and to play a lot better. So, no it will be a long time before I am optimistic about this team again.
Again I completely agree with this statement. I am a sunshine pumper per say but I can't find the sunshine at the moment. The only thing I can see that could save us is actually playing like it is always 0-0 and playing our game not our opponents. (Until desperation at the end if need be) But honestly if we played our ball control type game and controlled the tempo I think we would rarely be in desperation and need to change what we are doing to catch up. Because we would be ahead. We know what offense A&M runs regardless what qb was playing our plan for that style works but we did not use it last night.
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I, for one, am not optimistic. One game in and we are already behind in the SEC race. Relying on other teams to lose to help our odds has never gone in our favor. One of my biggest concerns is the absolute absence of a pass rush. If we keep it up, all the QBs we play this year have a huge chance to gash us. We are going to find ourselves down early in more games this year. Our offence has a ton of firepower, but even great offences get stifled. Look at Clemson's teams from the last few years. Their offence has sputtered against great defenses. Our offense might share the same fate, and unfortunately, we don't have a defense (yet) that can bail us out. If nothing changes, I can see us being crushed again in a few more games this season.
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I, for one, am not optimistic. One game in and we are already behind in the SEC race. Relying on other teams to lose to help our odds has never gone in our favor. One of my biggest concerns is the absolute absence of a pass rush. If we keep it up, all the QBs we play this year have a huge chance to gash us. We are going to find ourselves down early in more games this year. Our offence has a ton of firepower, but even great offences get stifled. Look at Clemson's teams from the last few years. Their offence has sputtered against great defenses. Our offense might share the same fate, and unfortunately, we don't have a defense (yet) that can bail us out. If nothing changes, I can see us being crushed again in a few more games this season.
The saddest but most true thing in this post is we look A LOT like Clemson of late right now.
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No, there is so much that was exposed last night that can not be fixed by coaching/game experience. I've said it the last few yr's in respect to recruiting, we have no explosive/game changers. Maybe solid players, but no ballers.
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he gets it. Well said my friend we played their game and we aren't built for that no defense shootout crap.
You're right, we should never get into a gunfight with a gunslinger. We played right into their game plan.
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Yea I really don't get why we abandoned the run then again we never ran it to be begin with. Our o line was hyped up and suppose to be the best in the SEC. The only true drive we had ended in an INT. Don't get me wrong, those deep ball TD passes were beauty, but our defense needed time to catch their breath and go over some sort of gameplan on the sidelines. Then again I don't know if it would've helped. A&M were just on another level last night. They just couldn't be stopped. That being said it was only one game and one game shouldn't define our team. I believe in Spurrier and I believe in his ability to coach. He'll correct what needs to be fixed.
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No, there is so much that was exposed last night that can not be fixed by coaching/game experience. I've said it the last few yr's in respect to recruiting, we have no explosive/game changers. Maybe solid players, but no ballers.
I've been saying that for a couple of years and got called a Tater. Glad someone agrees with me.
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I've been saying that for a couple of years and got called a Tater. Glad someone agrees with me.
Arguably the biggest issue with our defense on Thursday was poor angles and poor tackling. Those are two very coachable things.

Our pass rush was absolutely horrid, but we also ran a 3-4 without 3-4 caliber DL and were not very smart in how we attempted (or did not attempt) to bring pressure IMO. Again, that is scheme/coaching. That said, I do think the pass rush will continue to be poor this year, but it's hard to know exactly where we stand in that regard until we get back to 4-2-5 football, which I have a hard time imagining us not doing sooner than later.

I have no delusions about this team. TAMU is far more talented than us and it showed. Aside from simply having a more talented roster, they also were simply a horrible mismatch for us. BUT what we saw Thursday night is not indicative of how this team will look all year and we are not a squad of scrubs, guys. Still plenty of reason for hope this year. It's going to be tough and it's not going to look like it has the past few years, but we still got some W's out there. We have problems that aren't fixable by coaching, but we have A LOT that ARE that can make a HUGE difference.

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I have refrained from comments because to be honest, I was just in a horrible place (as most of us are). Since I've decompressed, several Maker's later, I am optimistic. The defense..absolutely embarrassing. We had several complaints last year about the LBs and they eventually grew up. I believe our DBs will do the same. Last year we threw too much at the younger guys and they were confused. Ward said he threw in some zone, man to man, the 3-4, 4-2-5, etc. These kids' heads were spinning. Simplify things. Stick to the 4-2-5. This, and the fundamentals of tackling, will cause for improvement IMO. Our guys were arm tackling out there and that's not how you play in this league.

On to the DL...no pass rush and no, we don't have the DEs that are to be starters in this league. Deke is an excellent recruiter, kids love him, but if his guys don't show improvement or generate a small pass rush, he's gone after this year IMO. Without a pass rush, our secondary will give up 300+ a game.

Optimism: We all knew we had some major question marks. MD28 was clearly injured, no matter what he said via instagram/twitter or whatever. He'll be 100% next week. We'll focus on tackling and taking better angles, that'll assist w/the massive yardage we gave up. Dylan is going to have to calm down. Overthrows have always been his kryptonite, but if he can calm down a bit and check down, he'll be throwing over 60%. The DL, nothing we can do this year..help is on the way and Lewis can come in and play immediately. Realistically, I believe we can end 8-4 maybe 9-3. That's not horrible for a "rebuilding year".
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I have refrained from comments because to be honest, I was just in a horrible place (as most of us are). Since I've decompressed, several Maker's later, I am optimistic. The defense..absolutely embarrassing. We had several complaints last year about the LBs and they eventually grew up. I believe our DBs will do the same. Last year we threw too much at the younger guys and they were confused. Ward said he threw in some zone, man to man, the 3-4, 4-2-5, etc. These kids' heads were spinning. Simplify things. Stick to the 4-2-5. This, and the fundamentals of tackling, will cause for improvement IMO. Our guys were arm tackling out there and that's not how you play in this league.

On to the DL...no pass rush and no, we don't have the DEs that are to be starters in this league. Deke is an excellent recruiter, kids love him, but if his guys don't show improvement or generate a small pass rush, he's gone after this year IMO. Without a pass rush, our secondary will give up 300+ a game.

Optimism: We all knew we had some major question marks. MD28 was clearly injured, no matter what he said via instagram/twitter or whatever. He'll be 100% next week. We'll focus on tackling and taking better angles, that'll assist w/the massive yardage we gave up. Dylan is going to have to calm down. Overthrows have always been his kryptonite, but if he can calm down a bit and check down, he'll be throwing over 60%. The DL, nothing we can do this year..help is on the way and Lewis can come in and play immediately. Realistically, I believe we can end 8-4 maybe 9-3. That's not horrible for a "rebuilding year".
Agree with everything you said. However, while 9-3 wouldn't be horrible, it would be a disappointment when you consider the goal was to play in Atlanta.
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I am usually more gloom and doom...but I think many on here are not giving our coaches any credit for assessing the talent that we recruited. These are the same coaches who got us the three straight eleven win seasons. I don't think we have a lack of f talent or the size the coaches want. I think we have an issue with timing the early departures and stuff.

I think we are in for a tough season... seven wins maybe less...but I think we will be right back up next year and even better the following. If we lose to ecu I would like to see Mitch. If Davis is hurt or just being a weanie is like to see williams..

Into every life a little rain must fall and it appears it will a little stormy this season. Spurrier isn't going anywhere and if he were to do.so he would do things in a way to protect out recurring class.

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Agree with everything you said. However, while 9-3 wouldn't be horrible, it would be a disappointment when you consider the goal was to play in Atlanta.

9-3 usually means you get a spot in Atlanta. Always depends how the SEC race shakes out. Considering what we saw last game, 9-3 would be a fantastic season.

Before this game, I thought 9-3 was our peak much like 11-2 was our peak the past couple years. Now I'm thinking 8-4 is absolute best case scenario.

The next couple weeks will be VERY interesting. It will pretty much make or break our year.

Beat both ECU and UGA and we're back in decent shape.

Lose to UGA and we're looking at an average year. I don't know how we're going to stop Gurley and their receivers but we'll have to grow up fast. I wish we could afford to never play a guy like Mason Harris at DE. When you're 6'2" 230 you don't belong on an SEC defensive line.
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Yes I'm optimistic. We will get better, the question is how much better will we get?

I can't wait to win a few games to shut some of these idiots up. 1 game. 11 to go. You have no idea how this is going to play out.
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If we lose to ecu I would like to see Mitch.
If we lose to ECU, it's not going to be DT's fault. I can just about promise you that. DT is our best QB right now. Call me crazy, but I'm not a proponent of giving up on the entire season after game 2. Mitch has plenty of reps in his future.
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Ward said he threw in some zone, man to man, the 3-4, 4-2-5, etc. These kids' heads were spinning. Simplify things.
This seems to be an ongoing theme under Ward. We have some bad defensive performances and it's "we just need to simplify the defense and just let these kids quit thinking, getting confused, etc. and just go out there, line up, and play. We were trying to do too much." ...and then after this event inevitably happens and we make the adjustments, we play a good deal better. What I'm wondering is... why does this keep happening...
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If we lose to ECU, it's not going to be DT's fault. I can just about promise you that. DT is our best QB right now. Call me crazy, but I'm not a proponent of giving up on the entire season after game 2. Mitch has plenty of reps in his future.
No. If we lose to UGA, then yes. If that were to happen, we don't really have anything left to play for. We're definitely out of the playoff discussion. Would also be out of contention for the SEC. At that point all we're playing for is a better bowl game, which really doesn't matter all that much. Might as well start getting ready for the future. Not saying I'd take DT's playing time away altogether, but our backups should start seeing some significant playing time. We wouldn't be doing ourselves any favors by going into next season with a completely inexperienced QB for the sake of a slightly better mid-tier bowl this season.
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