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Old 08-30-2014, 03:43 PM   #9681
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We need Damon Arnette here now. His size is what we lack.

And Kyle Davis, the 2016 kid, is the type of WR we need to be getting frequently.
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I would almost prefer we go after a big WR type.
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Sounds to me like he's guilty until proven innocent...
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Not saying I disagree, but somehow Michigan State is able to field a ferocious, smash-mouth defense every year with pretty much all 3* and lower.
Well, to be fair.. Michigan State doesn't quite play the offenses, we do. Although, you're right. They're defense is ferocious every year it seems like. Could be better coaching.
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What's your point here? They may be Lawings players, but they certainly aren't playing like Lawings players, which was my original point. Brad Lawing could generate pressure with his players. Pretty obvious that Deke can't.
Did you ever watch any of our games when Lawing was here??

And since you brought that up, Deke had Brad's players last year, and a chunk of them this year.
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the starting 4 on the DL are Lawing's players.....
So were Clowney, Taylor, Quarells and Taylor.......... What's your point?
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Compared to what our db's looked like theirs looked like all pros. Why n the hell did we give them a 10 yard cushion all night just about when they only attempted 4 passes beyond 10 yards??
because whammy said he didn't want their WR to beat us deep.....well, he got what he asked for....they didn't beat us deep.....I will say, their play calling and schemes were very close to an NFL offense.....those guys were good.
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I would almost prefer we go after a big WR type.
I agree, we need big receivers...but I think it's too late to get anyone with quality to come here....2016 is a different story.....speaking of WR, if Roland doesn't start playing at a much higher level, he'll never play in the NFL.
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What's your point here? They may be Lawings players, but they certainly aren't playing like Lawings players, which was my original point. Brad Lawing could generate pressure with his players. Pretty obvious that Deke can't.
my point is Lawing was a mediocre recruiter and a mediocre coach....name all the guys he put in the NFL that actually played in the NFL....a few, but not many....

In one year, Deke has out recruited anything Lawing ever did.
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Compared to what our db's looked like theirs looked like all pros. Why n the hell did we give them a 10 yard cushion all night just about when they only attempted 4 passes beyond 10 yards??
This is my biggest gripe as well. I can only think it is because we didn't want
to get burned long?
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So were Clowney, Taylor, Quarells and Taylor.......... What's your point?
how long was Lawing at Carolina.....he didn't put many in the NfL....and there's been plenty of discussion of how Lawing never really pushed Clowney.
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The guy is innocent until proven guilty.

That said, if it appears he did it, then he's toast, they have to rescind his offer.

Apparently Blackshear is injured, if Bowman's gone we need to try to flip a marquee DE. After what happened with Doobie we can't truly count on Sawyer and Lewis until they're actually here, and if Key still weighs 220 he'll need time to gain bulk.

Or as someone else mentioned, a jumbo A&M-type WR that can run would be nice.
comparing Thomas to Sawyer and Lewis is complete apples to oranges comparison every player's situation is different and the info from the beginning was Thomas had a LOT of work to do
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That's the formula we've used to beating Clemson (who runs a similar offense) 5 years running.

That's the formula we've used to win 11 games 3 years running.

That's the formula we've used to win 18 straight at WB.

It seems like every time SOS dumps that formula and reverts to the chuck and duck offense the wheels come off.
Just wanted to point out that CU definitely doesn't run a similar offense to A&M. They're both spread teams, but A&M is an air-raid offense while CU is much more balanced in normal situations. Of A&M's 99 plays, 60 were passes, and if they hadn't been up so much, they wouldn't have run it as much as they did.

But the overall point of your post is correct.
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how long was Lawing at Carolina.....he didn't put many in the NfL....and there's been plenty of discussion of how Lawing never really pushed Clowney.
I've never really checked but what does the number he's put in the NFL have to do with how our defensive line play. I will say I NEVER saw him field a unit like I saw Thursday night. The Defense has ALWAYS been what keeps us in games. Discussion of Lawwin never pushing Clowney..... I heard they had a little issue when Clowney got here but older players (Ingram) helped him understand you will listen to Lawwing. I've never heard any other talk about it. Lawwing produces talent with coaching. You can have all the talent you want and lose if they're not coached up. I'll say this is what bothers me most about our recruiting........ We tend to go after the way underrated guys or the diamonds in the rough........ There's generally a reason they are underrated. I realize sometimes you get a great one out of the bunch but then again you're stuck with the rest of the bunch.
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In the game on Thursday we did not display that we had talent or coaching at any defensive position. I still say as much as I love to have SC guys on the team, we are going to have to recruit nationally to remain competitive in the SEC. Spurrier needs to take a more active part and use that name recognition to get it done.
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comparing Thomas to Sawyer and Lewis is complete apples to oranges comparison every player's situation is different and the info from the beginning was Thomas had a LOT of work to do
The only reason I compared is because they aren't here yet.

Whether it's Doobie Thomas or Clarence Bailey, you can't count on them until they've graduated JUCO and have enrolled in class.
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I will say I NEVER saw him field a unit like I saw Thursday night. The Defense has ALWAYS been what keeps us in games. Lawwing produces talent with coaching.
You must not remember the curbstompings Florida and Arkansas gave us while Lawing was DL coach.

You must not remember us losing Carlos Dunlap because of Lawing.

You must not remember us getting dinged by the NCAA because he was calling recruits during dead times.
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The only reason I compared is because they aren't here yet.

Whether it's Doobie Thomas or Clarence Bailey, you can't count on them until they've graduated JUCO and have enrolled in class.
To me at least, Sawyer seems really determined and motivated. He even enrolled a semester early so that he could be a part of the 2015 class.
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To me at least, Sawyer seems really determined and motivated. He even enrolled a semester early so that he could be a part of the 2015 class.
I firmly believe Sawyer & Lewis will start from day one as would DJ Jones if we can turn him.
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You must not remember the curbstompings Florida and Arkansas gave us while Lawing was DL coach.

You must not remember us losing Carlos Dunlap because of Lawing.

You must not remember us getting dinged by the NCAA because he was calling recruits during dead times.
Lol...... That's a piss poor response. We've always been owned by Florida and we don't hold the better head to head against Arkansas. Losing Carlos Dunlap????? Who cares? He didn't want to be here or he would have signed here. You'd be surprised at the recruiting violations that are done every year by many coaches. If that's the bad of Lawwing there's nothing to worry about. He got the best out of his guys. I know that.
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