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Old 06-18-2017, 12:52 PM   #221
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No way we hire an assistant, after 5 years of failure after hiring one of our own assistants. We're going to be looking for a proven head coach, baseball equivalent to Frank Martin type of guy.
Head coaches used to be Assistants. Someone had to take a chance on them.

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His point is that we are a good enough job where we shouldn't have to take chances. We are able to hire a proven commodity
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Old 06-18-2017, 01:55 PM   #223
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My personal preference is to offer Dan McDonnell 1.2 million. He Coaches Louisville which is close enough to the southeast where he has experience recruiting southeast, midwest, and the north east. So we would be expanding our recruiting footprint. He played for the Citadel and was a long time assistant at the Citadel so he is familiar with our state. He was an assistant He was Ole Miss after that.

I am not real sure why the coach needs to be from the Southeast anyway. Anyone should be able to recruit a this program with its facilities and the national championships. Seems like nothing more than southern prejudice wanting someone of their kind when someone says something like that. I don't care about that, just want a coach that helps us win.
McDonnel has nine years left on a ten year deal paying a base of $1million per year. His retention bonuses adds another $500,000 total. Why would he leave for $1.2 mill/year? The highest paid coach in college baseball makes $1.4 mill per year, we'd be in that neighborhood, and that doesn't include whatever his buyout is plus the cost of swapping staffs.

He's already turned down more money than he's making from Texas, he's happy where he is.
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His point is that we are a good enough job where we shouldn't have to take chances. We are able to hire a proven commodity
Who are you thinking? Because the majority of ideas fans and sports talking heads are kicking around aren't realistic.

A lot of the "proven guys" are firmly entrenched, and some of them enjoy recruiting advantages we don't have.

I have a feeling a lot of people aren't going to be happy with whoever we hire, solely because they think he's not a big enough name.
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Tanner is in Omaha for something. He can watch baseball on tv. Something has his interest there.
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Tanner is in Omaha for something. He can watch baseball on tv. Something has his interest there.
I heard that Florida has a kick-butt bat boy that he's hoping to recruit. I'm worried that his buy out might be too much, though.
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O'Sullivan will be our next coach
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:17 AM   #228
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Head coaches used to be Assistants. Someone had to take a chance on them.

You can't base a philosophy on hiring based on how CCH did.
It's not a philsophy. It's a circumstance and it's a position in the hierarchy. We tried the assistant route and failed miserably we won't be rolling the dice again with another assistant. Those kind of chances we don't need to take. Assistants are supposed to get head coaching job at SMALL schools and prove themselves before the become head coaches of a major program. That is just common sense.
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McDonnel has nine years left on a ten year deal paying a base of $1million per year. His retention bonuses adds another $500,000 total. Why would he leave for $1.2 mill/year? The highest paid coach in college baseball makes $1.4 mill per year, we'd be in that neighborhood, and that doesn't include whatever his buyout is plus the cost of swapping staffs.

He's already turned down more money than he's making from Texas, he's happy where he is.
I don't know if we can get, maybe we can, maybe not. Just know, It be less than what it would take to get O'Sullivan. And McDonnell could probably upgrade his recruiting here, while O'sullivan would probably recruit worse here than at Florida.
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O'Sullivan will be our next coach
My feeling as well. Not my first choice but he'd be a good splashy hire.
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His point is that we are a good enough job where we shouldn't have to take chances. We are able to hire a proven commodity
Hiring an assistant isn't necessarily taking a chance if it's the right guy for your program. Plenty of Head Coaches have been hired and not been succesful. Before OSullivan Florida hired 2 head coaches who had been to Omaha and one that had won in Omaha. Didn't work out the way they wanted it to. Then they hired an assistant.

5 of 6 SEC teams in the Super Regionals hired an assistant to lead their program.
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Old 06-19-2017, 12:27 PM   #232
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And McDonnell could probably upgrade his recruiting here, while O'sullivan would probably recruit worse here than at Florida.
What really helps KOS click with recruiting is his staff. Two of his Assistants have been long time coaches at different levels in the state of Florida, plus they'd been Minor League scouts for years. They have an incredible rolodex full of contacts.

If he can get those guys to follow him, it would be a tremendous asset.
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I talked to a buddy yesterday that is tied into FLA pretty well.

He told me that O'Sullivan is Tanner's target, and O'Sullivan, through his agent has not said No to us. Tanner has indicated that money is not an issue. (No idea what that means) Nothing likely to materialize until after the CWS.

He also said that he does not think O'Sullivan will leave. He believes he is using our interest in him to get guarantees from FLA on a timetable on the upgrades he has been promised and to get his assistants more money. O'Sullivan has not gotten the support he thinks he should in terms of administrative help, facility upgrades, coaching salaries, ect.

Nothing earth shattering but thought I would pass along.
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I talked to a buddy yesterday that is tied into FLA pretty well.

He told me that O'Sullivan is Tanner's target, and O'Sullivan, through his agent has not said No to us. Tanner has indicated that money is not an issue. (No idea what that means) Nothing likely to materialize until after the CWS.

He also said that he does not think O'Sullivan will leave. He believes he is using our interest in him to get guarantees from FLA on a timetable on the upgrades he has been promised and to get his assistants more money. O'Sullivan has not gotten the support he thinks he should in terms of administrative help, facility upgrades, coaching salaries, ect.

Nothing earth shattering but thought I would pass along.
Well, it does seem from your friends pov that the door is wide open for Kos to come here. We will pay the man.

Further, we all but knew the issues he was facing from the administrative side. If we can upgrade his assistant coaches pay i dont see why he wouldnt come. we already have the facilities and support structure in place.
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Well, it does seem from your friends pov that the door is wide open for Kos to come here. We will pay the man.

Further, we all but knew the issues he was facing from the administrative side. If we can upgrade his assistant coaches pay i dont see why he wouldnt come. we already have the facilities and support structure in place.
One other thing he mentioned that I had forgotten about is that Jeremy Foley was FLA's Athletic Director who hired O'Sullivan and whom he really liked and had a great relationship with. Foley is gone and they have a new AD in Scott Stricklin who is more of a Bean Counter for lack of a better description. His relationship with him is not as rock solid. O'Sullivan would certainly prefer to work under someone like Tanner.
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they have a new AD in Scott Stricklin who is more of a Bean Counter for lack of a better description. His relationship with him is not as rock solid. O'Sullivan would certainly prefer to work under someone like Tanner.
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I talked to a buddy yesterday that is tied into FLA pretty well.

He told me that O'Sullivan is Tanner's target, and O'Sullivan, through his agent has not said No to us. Tanner has indicated that money is not an issue. (No idea what that means) Nothing likely to materialize until after the CWS.

He also said that he does not think O'Sullivan will leave. He believes he is using our interest in him to get guarantees from FLA on a timetable on the upgrades he has been promised and to get his assistants more money. O'Sullivan has not gotten the support he thinks he should in terms of administrative help, facility upgrades, coaching salaries, ect.

Nothing earth shattering but thought I would pass along.
This seems like the most plausible scenario for O'Sullivan, but I hope Tanner can work it out somehow. It would be great to steal him from Florida. IMO, price shouldn't be an issue for us if we have a proven coach like him. Pay him whatever he wants and let's go win some more national championships (oh and some conference championships too). I have no issues with Carolina having the highest paid coach in college baseball if he's winning consistently.
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..Dont read too much into Coach Tanner being in Omaha....A lot of coaches and ADs are in Omaha that are not playing in the series. Its like a convention out there during the CWS.
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I talked to a buddy yesterday that is tied into FLA pretty well.

He told me that O'Sullivan is Tanner's target, and O'Sullivan, through his agent has not said No to us. Tanner has indicated that money is not an issue. (No idea what that means) Nothing likely to materialize until after the CWS.

He also said that he does not think O'Sullivan will leave. He believes he is using our interest in him to get guarantees from FLA on a timetable on the upgrades he has been promised and to get his assistants more money. O'Sullivan has not gotten the support he thinks he should in terms of administrative help, facility upgrades, coaching salaries, ect.

Nothing earth shattering but thought I would pass along.
If Money is not and issue. It would be pretty ground breaking if he got him, because it would cost no less, than 1.5 Million a year to land him plus what ever we have to pay for him jumping early on the 9 remaining years on his contract. And that is even considering whatever family issues if any factoring in, and not considering any counter off from Florida. That is just crazy money for any college baseball coach.
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