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Old 09-13-2017, 01:59 PM   #1
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Default 2017/18 season speculation thread

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Can some of y'all with more basketball knowledge take a stab at what you think our record might be for the year and what games are looking problematic for us?
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I don't know how to predict which games we will win or lose. I can say this, I think Frank likes his team and expects it to be competitive. If the team can stay healthy, and nobody gets suspended, I expect they will do better than most of the "guessers" think they will. USC will be picked in the bottom third of the SEC by just about all of the "experts" who guess at such things, but I think we could do better than that. And I expect we will, provided we keep all of the players available.
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To me, the OOC schedule seems to be pretty weak, but that's not surprising with us losing 3 of our top players. Will we win all those games? Probably not, as I can see there being a couple of games where we just don't gel because of all the new players. I do think we should be in a position to be able to win all of them though.

In conference, I think the usual teams like Kentucky and Florida will remain tough opponents. I also think Alabama will have a really good year, possibly the best team from the old west division. Missouri should also be a factor with that highly rated recruiting class, but they'll probably be inconsistent.

I expect us to improve over the course of the season and think we'll be playing some good basketball in Feb and March. I think we'll be on the bubble and could find ourselves in a situation where what we do in the SEC Tournament determines if we play in the NCAA Tournament or NIT.
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My take....we have more talent than we have ever had, even with Sindarius and the guys leaving. We add two talented transfers and a nice five man Freshman class to go with the guys that came in last year.

The transfers will help make up for the graduation losses at Guard, plus the absence of Felder for the first semester (at least). David Beatty will be a talent, just needs experience. If we have Felder, the transfers, Beatty, Gravatt, we are fine at Guard. Minaya can give us minutes at Guard also, which might be needed if Felder does not make it back.

But we will be more of an inside team this year. Silva will be the star, and he should be auditioning for the NBA this year. He will have a lot of help - two 7-footers, Maik Kotsar at 6'10", and a skilled 6'9" PF in Haase. Doumbia is athletic and can play inside, but shoots well enough to play #3, and Minaya can play #2 or #3.

We have so many new pieces that it might take time to get chemistry, but we will be solid by SEC time - especially if we get Felder back. Remember that we lost our frontline to last year and people had us #7 in the SEC. So we can overcome losing our Guards, especially with the transfers that should be plug and play.

I think Frank has the program built now - we will be good every year. I see us as a team that will make the Big Dance and will have gelled enough by the end of the year to make some noise.

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My take....we have more talent than we have ever had, even with Sindarius and the guys leaving. We add two talented transfers and a nice five man Freshman class to go with the guys that came in last year.

The transfers will help make up for the graduation losses at Guard, plus the absence of Felder for the first semester (at least). David Beatty will be a talent, just needs experience. If we have Felder, the transfers, Beatty, Gravatt, we are fine at Guard. Minaya can give us minutes at Guard also, which might be needed if Felder does not make it back.

But we will be more of an inside team this year. Silva will be the star, and he should be auditioning for the NBA this year. He will have a lot of help - two 7-footers, Maik Kotsar at 6'10", and a skilled 6'9" PF in Haase. Doumbia is athletic and can play inside, but shoots well enough to play #3, and Minaya can play #2 or #3.

We have so many new pieces that it might take time to get chemistry, but we will be solid by SEC time - especially if we get Felder back. Remember that we lost our frontline to last year and people had us #7 in the SEC. So we can overcome losing our Guards, especially with the transfers that should be plug and play.

I think Frank has the program built now - we will be good every year. I see us as a team that will make the Big Dance and will have gelled enough by the end of the year to make some noise.
More talent than we have ever had? Interesting. You might be right. I know Frank likes what Wes Myers, Frank Booker, Kory Holden and David Beatty bring to the team. Frank thinks Gravett will contribute at guard. That is five guards who should be our backcourt. Adding in Felder, if he comes back, would only make the backcourt deeper.

We have five post guys (Silva, Kotsar, Gueye, Cudd and Haase). I expect Silva to have a great year. At SF, it looks like it will be Doumbia and Minaya, if they can please Frank. Or, we could see Beatty there some. We could even see one of the bigs there some.

This team is talented. When they get used to playing together, they could be good. I think a lot of people are going to underestimate us.
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We need Holden and Myers to be good, plain and simple.

We should be a much better shooting team from the perimeter with the additions of Haase, Booker, and Doumbia. All 3 of those guys can stroke it.
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More talent than we have ever had? Interesting. You might be right. I know Frank likes what Wes Myers, Frank Booker, Kory Holden and David Beatty bring to the team. Frank thinks Gravett will contribute at guard. That is five guards who should be our backcourt. Adding in Felder, if he comes back, would only make the backcourt deeper.

We have five post guys (Silva, Kotsar, Gueye, Cudd and Haase). I expect Silva to have a great year. At SF, it looks like it will be Doumbia and Minaya, if they can please Frank. Or, we could see Beatty there some. We could even see one of the bigs there some.

This team is talented. When they get used to playing together, they could be good. I think a lot of people are going to underestimate us.
We lose 3 players - two starters and a reserve at Guard (not counting Felder as a loss because he will be back, and probably this year). We actually were hit harder the year before when we lost our veteran frontline, including an All-SEC guy.

Frank brought in three quality transfers to offset the losses - all have started and starred at Guard at other schools. That is basically filling the void left by the graduating players.

Then we have a full team coming in as Freshmen - a lead guard in 4* Beatty, a swingman with lots of upside (he did a Bentley and came in a year early), an athletic small forward, a PF with offensive skills on the perimeter, and a 7 footer.

To me, that is more than we had last year. No one as talented as Sin but more top to bottom. Especially with a star like Silva ready to bust open and a rapidly improving Sophomore Center. Size, depth, experience, talent.
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IMO the offensive talent has improved, in terms of having more depth. It's unproven depth at this point. IMO the potential for improvement in rebounding SHOULD be there as well, with the increased post depth. Some of those bigs need to step forward though.

The biggest issue is if the newcomers will embrace CFM's defensive philosophies quickly, and be quick to pick the sets up. Whatever the team does offensively will take place off of the foundation of stout team defense, and when we've struggled to grasp an understanding we've looked sloppy and off balance.

Hopefully the new guys take to it because there are very few top teams out there that just out-score all their opponents: the top 10 teams typically have fierce defenses as well. The good thing is, that defense helped the team reach the Final Four last season, so the players should understand that CFM knows what the **** he is teaching out there, and resist it so much.....
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We need Holden and Myers to be good, plain and simple.

We should be a much better shooting team from the perimeter with the additions of Haase, Booker, and Doumbia. All 3 of those guys can stroke it.

If we are a better shooting team, which I don't think we will be, I don't these three are likely to be the reason.
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IMO the offensive talent has improved, in terms of having more depth. It's unproven depth at this point. IMO the potential for improvement in rebounding SHOULD be there as well, with the increased post depth. Some of those bigs need to step forward though.

The biggest issue is if the newcomers will embrace CFM's defensive philosophies quickly, and be quick to pick the sets up. Whatever the team does offensively will take place off of the foundation of stout team defense, and when we've struggled to grasp an understanding we've looked sloppy and off balance.

Hopefully the new guys take to it because there are very few top teams out there that just out-score all their opponents: the top 10 teams typically have fierce defenses as well. The good thing is, that defense helped the team reach the Final Four last season, so the players should understand that CFM knows what the **** he is teaching out there, and resist it so much.....
I don't see a big reason to believe the offense will be better or deeper.

I think you are right to be concerned about the defense given the reduced size on the perimeter and the need to incorporate so many newcomers, including graduate transfers.
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We lose 3 players - two starters and a reserve at Guard (not counting Felder as a loss because he will be back, and probably this year). We actually were hit harder the year before when we lost our veteran frontline, including an All-SEC guy.

Frank brought in three quality transfers to offset the losses - all have started and starred at Guard at other schools. That is basically filling the void left by the graduating players.

Then we have a full team coming in as Freshmen - a lead guard in 4* Beatty, a swingman with lots of upside (he did a Bentley and came in a year early), an athletic small forward, a PF with offensive skills on the perimeter, and a 7 footer.

To me, that is more than we had last year. No one as talented as Sin but more top to bottom. Especially with a star like Silva ready to bust open and a rapidly improving Sophomore Center. Size, depth, experience, talent.
We lose three starters and a projected starter. Dozier, Notice, Thornwell, Felder.

We needed Dozier to come back to anchor the backcourt and shoulder some of the scoring load. Now, we really do have to hope some unknowns can do it.

I won't write off the possibility. I was surprised a bit last year by how good we were, but it seems to me that this is a tougher task than last season.
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How do y'all think we will do in Non-Conference it seems like we play a lot of mid majors but the SEC will be tough if we can go .500 in the league and win a lot of the non conference games we might be a tourney team
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We lose three starters and a projected starter. Dozier, Notice, Thornwell, Felder.

We needed Dozier to come back to anchor the backcourt and shoulder some of the scoring load. Now, we really do have to hope some unknowns can do it.

I won't write off the possibility. I was surprised a bit last year by how good we were, but it seems to me that this is a tougher task than last season.
When you are assessing improvement year to year, it is not accurate to project a starter and say we lose four. Because if they did not start and contribute in a big way the previous year, then we are not losing much. Felder may have started, but he was a minor contributor until he had the good run in the tournament.

Plus, I can pretty much guarantee that he will be back second semester (it would be a travesty if he was not), so we don't lose him.

We have three transfer guards, two Seniors and a RS Junior. Two were big scorers for their previous teams. Felder and Gravatt will be improved, and Beatty was highly touted. We don't bring the two grad transfers in unless Frank thinks the future is now - otherwise, we find a HS Senior and go through the rebuilding process.

Then we return all of our bigs (except Keita, who missed a lot of the year and then played sparingly), plus some nice new talent.

This is the first team that Frank has that is deep across the board, and has the size/depth to be able to pound inside, which is his style of play. The best is yet to come.
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If we are a better shooting team, which I don't think we will be, I don't these three are likely to be the reason.
Booker hits right at 1/3 of his threes (33.1%) over his career, which is as good as hitting 49.7% from two point range. And most of his shots are from long range.

Haase is a very polished offensive performer - he can shoot from three, put the ball on the floor, has nice post moves.

Doumbia is supposed to have a good shooting stroke also, which is promising (and rare) for an athletic 6' 6" player.

But you are right - Myers (36.2%) and Holden (38.5%) are both better three point shooters than Booker. That is the equivalent of hitting 54.3% and 57.75% from two point range - pretty good shooting.
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If we are a better shooting team, which I don't think we will be, I don't these three are likely to be the reason.
My perception is that Bruce Shingler was responsible for the better shooting from the guys last season.

If this is true, we will be better on offense than we might think this season.
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We need Holden and Myers to be good, plain and simple.

We should be a much better shooting team from the perimeter with the additions of Haase, Booker, and Doumbia. All 3 of those guys can stroke it.
You forgot beatty.
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.500 in the league won't be good enough with that non-conference schedule - we will need 10 or 11 SEC wins to make the NCAAT.
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.500 in the league won't be good enough with that non-conference schedule - we will need 10 or 11 SEC wins to make the NCAAT.
It actually could be. This will probably be the strongest the conference has been in years and we could see 6 or 7 teams in the tournament, maybe even 8.
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It actually could be. This will probably be the strongest the conference has been in years and we could see 6 or 7 teams in the tournament, maybe even 8.
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Florida, Kentucky, and Missouri should be locks.

Mississippi State, South Carolina, Vanderbilt should be bubbles.

I don't know anything about Georgia, LSU, Ole Miss, Tennessee, or Texas A&M.
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