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Old 01-11-2018, 12:50 PM   #3281
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Do we need another WR?
They are preparing to take the best available player they can get with the last spot.
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Taking the best available player we can land with that last spot is the smart move. There is a longstanding NFL philosophy that you donít draft for need, you take the highest rated player on your board, regardless of position. Few teams stick to it, because need is a powerful motivator, but a few teams adhere to it religiously and thatís how, for example, an already strong offensive line becomes elite.

Now, an NFL team can try to fill deficiencies through free agency, and we donít have that option, so recruiting for need is a must on the college level...but in a last scholarship scenario, if your options are taking a player to simply add depth in a thin area or taking a potentially elite high 4-Star WR who could conceivably boost that group from strong to spectacular...I think you go with the latter.
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Taking the best available player we can land with that last spot is the smart move. There is a longstanding NFL philosophy that you donít draft for need, you take the highest rated player on your board, regardless of position. Few teams stick to it, because need is a powerful motivator, but a few teams adhere to it religiously and thatís how, for example, an already strong offensive line becomes elite.

Now, an NFL team can try to fill deficiencies through free agency, and we donít have that option, so recruiting for need is a must on the college level...but in a last scholarship scenario, if your options are taking a player to simply add depth in a thin area or taking a potentially elite high 4-Star WR who could conceivably boost that group from strong to spectacular...I think you go with the latter.
What if that position is a starting kicker, vs added depth at established positions that isn't consistently costing us points, or games?
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What if that position is a starting kicker, vs added depth at established positions that isn't consistently costing us points, or games?
Parker White got better as the season went on, he started 1-7 and finished over 50% which means he did a solid job once he got settled in. Kicker isn't the massive need our fans want to make it out to be.
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Parker White got better as the season went on, he started 1-7 and finished over 50% which means he did a solid job once he got settled in. Kicker isn't the massive need our fans want to make it out to be.
He was good from 40 yds in. I think he only missed 1 kick under 40. the O needs to put him in better positions to succeed.
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Parker is only a freshman. He is going to be very, very good.
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What if that position is a starting kicker, vs added depth at established positions that isn't consistently costing us points, or games?
There's no proof given recent USC experience that a scholarship kicker (e.g., Nick St. Germain) would be any better than a walk on (e.g., Elliott Fry), and it would lock us into that kicker for 4 years regardless of their performance. Besides that, Parker was money from 40 yards in (which is better than a number of college kickers) and has much better leg strength than probably 90% of college kickers. Improve the snap and hold (also a problem) and let him work on some mechanics and he has the making to be All-SEC.
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He was good from 40 yds in. I think he only missed 1 kick under 40. the O needs to put him in better positions to succeed.
Agreed. Also after he started 1/7 he went 72% for the rest of the season. 72% would be on par with 2 of Elliott Fry's seasons here.
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Old 01-13-2018, 10:41 AM   #3289
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Any information on the DJ Brown kid?
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Old 01-13-2018, 11:55 AM   #3290
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people just remember the first 3 games..ouch..he got better, for sure.
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Old 01-13-2018, 06:18 PM   #3291
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Mincey, Brown or W Thompson are the likely remaining choices......DE, DB or WR
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Mincey, Brown or W Thompson are the likely remaining choices......DE, DB or WR
I don't know a whole lot about Mincey or Brown, and wr is probably our deepest position of those three, but Thompson would be a big get. He seems legit.
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Final 247 rankings for the 2018 class are coming out today. Let's see who moves.
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We have one player, vann. Bryce didnít move at all and Belk was moved to 5 star even though he didnít get an invite to the shrine bowl. Itís a joke, good thing stars donít matter once players step on campus.


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We have one player, vann. Bryce didnít move at all and Belk was moved to 5 star even though he didnít get an invite to the shrine bowl. Itís a joke, good thing stars donít matter once players step on campus.


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WTF. Bryce Thompsonís rating not budging IS an absolute joke, I agree, unless 247 simply makes it a policy to not move players with uncertain academic status. (Otherwise, itís just unforgivably lazy scouting on their part.)

Vann actually dropped several spots.

Meanwhile, Clemson had two players rocket up the charts to 5-Star status. Iím sure politics had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Oh well. What the hell ever, 247. We have a strong class, and I have zero doubt that Boom is a far better evaluator than any part-time rating site employee.
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I don’t they have finished with the ranking changes. Today is likely the first of several.
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WTF. Bryce Thompsonís rating not budging IS an absolute joke, I agree, unless 247 simply makes it a policy to not move players with uncertain academic status. (Otherwise, itís just unforgivably lazy scouting on their part.)

Vann actually dropped several spots.

Meanwhile, Clemson had two players rocket up the charts to 5-Star status. Iím sure politics had absolutely nothing to do with that.

Oh well. What the hell ever, 247. We have a strong class, and I have zero doubt that Boom is a far better evaluator than any part-time rating site employee.
Thompson should have moved up based on the playoff and Shrine Bowl results. But he did not get more offers due to academics and there is no buzz to generate subscriptions - if his grades are good, he is coming here. Otherwise, JUCO.

Belk is kinda funny - 247 has him a a 5*, 247 Composite has him as a 4* outside the Top 100, Rivals has him as a 3*.

The last time I saw a disparity like that was Brandon Shell - he was listed as a Top Ten 5*, a Top 100 4*, and a 3*. Based on success in college and the pros, he should have been at least a 4*.

Belk needs to convert some fat to muscle but he has a lot of potential. But this just confirms what a lot of people already knew - the star ratings are political and the players going to the top programs get their stars jacked up. So in a sense, Clemson has caught Alabama in that regard.
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I don’t they have finished with the ranking changes. Today is likely the first of several.
Wrong, today is the final day.
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Thompson should have moved up based on the playoff and Shrine Bowl results. But he did not get more offers due to academics and there is no buzz to generate subscriptions - if his grades are good, he is coming here. Otherwise, JUCO.

Belk is kinda funny - 247 has him a a 5*, 247 Composite has him as a 4* outside the Top 100, Rivals has him as a 3*.

The last time I saw a disparity like that was Brandon Shell - he was listed as a Top Ten 5*, a Top 100 4*, and a 3*. Based on success in college and the pros, he should have been at least a 4*.

Belk needs to convert some fat to muscle but he has a lot of potential. But this just confirms what a lot of people already knew - the star ratings are political and the players going to the top programs get their stars jacked up. So in a sense, Clemson has caught Alabama in that regard.
ACE, these 247 rankings are bullshit. Thompson was just as good as Kendrick at the Shrine bowl, and he got a 5th star, Thompson didn’t get anything. Look no further than this example.
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ACE, these 247 rankings are bullshit. Thompson was just as good as Kendrick at the Shrine bowl, and he got a 5th star, Thompson didnít get anything. Look no further than this example.
Like I say, Clemson has hit the big time - being considered along the lines of Alabama when it comes to recruits. If they get a player, he has to be good, so bump him up.

No worries - this will provide more motivation for our guys, less for their players. Getting the "big head" slows development.

It will result in a lot of consternation in TaterTown when our 3* guys outperform their 5* players. That actually happened this year - Deebo (in the brief time that he played) was easily better as a 3* than RayRay or Deon, both 5*.
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