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Old 02-13-2018, 08:30 PM   #1
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WTF?!?!?!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nca...D=ansmsnnews11

Yet UNCarolina gets off scott free..... what is this world coming to?

Don't get me wrong, I hate ND almost as much as Clemtech, but dang... The precedent that this sets is ridiculous.

Also to be fair, its basically a slap on the wrist, 1 year probation and 21 victories, not that the NCAA gets all the money from those games or anything.
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But the NCAA cant enforce academic fraud....
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Old 02-13-2018, 09:23 PM   #4
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Default Notre Dame got smacked

I have no love for ND. But this is a load of horse shit after they let off UNC scott free.

ND must have lost their NCAA blue blood ‘get out of jail free’ card.
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I believe the difference with ND is that the trainer was probably doing coursework in mainstream classes for the players.
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I believe the difference with ND is that the trainer was probably doing coursework in mainstream classes for the players.
And UNC athletes were taking fake classes and basically getting as to keep them academically eligible.
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When it comes down to it. Not sure how fake classes is any different then turning in fake assignments in real classes.
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Sure doesn't seem fair in light of the UNC infractions.
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Default Re: Notre Dame got smacked

While I agree that ND got screwed by the NCAA, the only reason UNC were able to get a slap on the wrist was due to the fact that the fake classes were available to all students instead of only athletes.
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Difference is the trainer is directly attached to the fotball program. In the NC case the classes were available to all students. Eventhough it was mostly attended by the athletes. NCAA has botched many cases, but Notre Dame got what they deserved. Probably the only recent high profile case where the NCAA did what they were suppose to do. Btw-Notre Dame agreed to the penalties when they were handed down. They appealed the penalties after the NC case was decided.
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Default Re: Notre Dame got smacked

Ultimately the problem is the NCAA is tone deaf, ineffectual, and petty.

Let's just lay out the actual issues: a trainer takes tests for and helps student athletes complete assignments, an institution creates a class that requires no actual work for a GPA boost, an agent pays for players and parties on yachts and strippers, a college football program averages a little over one sexual assault per month for five years, a college knowingly to some degree allowed a pedophile to stay on staff and have access to young children, a college covered up a doctor sexually assault women for his entire life.

Which one of the above gets punished? That's the problem. The NCAA mission is jacked up. Their sole purpose and the extent that they can enforce these inane by-laws is to make sure athletes who likely deserve special treatment get none and the money can stay in the pockets of old, white men.
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Ultimately the problem is the NCAA is tone deaf, ineffectual, and petty.

Let's just lay out the actual issues: a trainer takes tests for and helps student athletes complete assignments, an institution creates a class that requires no actual work for a GPA boost, an agent pays for players and parties on yachts and strippers, a college football program averages a little over one sexual assault per month for five years, a college knowingly to some degree allowed a pedophile to stay on staff and have access to young children, a college covered up a doctor sexually assault women for his entire life.

Which one of the above gets punished? That's the problem. The NCAA mission is jacked up. Their sole purpose and the extent that they can enforce these inane by-laws is to make sure athletes who likely deserve special treatment get none and the money can stay in the pockets of old, white men.
Well put. We can talk about nuances of the rules all day long. But broad picture they are very inconsistent. And I agree in the end it comes down to them raking in the cash and keeping it away from players.
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Old 02-14-2018, 11:24 AM   #13
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This isn't really bad at all. Who cares about the wins tbh....$5k fine and one year of probation is nothing. No scholarships taken away, etc....they went light on 'em.
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Ultimately the problem is the NCAA is tone deaf, ineffectual, and petty.

Let's just lay out the actual issues: a trainer takes tests for and helps student athletes complete assignments, an institution creates a class that requires no actual work for a GPA boost, an agent pays for players and parties on yachts and strippers, a college football program averages a little over one sexual assault per month for five years, a college knowingly to some degree allowed a pedophile to stay on staff and have access to young children, a college covered up a doctor sexually assault women for his entire life.

Which one of the above gets punished? That's the problem. The NCAA mission is jacked up. Their sole purpose and the extent that they can enforce these inane by-laws is to make sure athletes who likely deserve special treatment get none and the money can stay in the pockets of old, white men.
At some point you have to stop blaming the NCAA and you have to start pointing the finger at Universities for not leaving the NCAA and forming their own league. They agree to abide by certain rules by staying in the NCAA when the NCAA can't effectively enforce even the ones that aren't bad.
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Ultimately the problem is the NCAA is tone deaf, ineffectual, and petty.

Let's just lay out the actual issues: a trainer takes tests for and helps student athletes complete assignments, an institution creates a class that requires no actual work for a GPA boost, an agent pays for players and parties on yachts and strippers, a college football program averages a little over one sexual assault per month for five years, a college knowingly to some degree allowed a pedophile to stay on staff and have access to young children, a college covered up a doctor sexually assault women for his entire life.

Which one of the above gets punished? That's the problem. The NCAA mission is jacked up. Their sole purpose and the extent that they can enforce these inane by-laws is to make sure athletes who likely deserve special treatment get none and the money can stay in the pockets of old, white men.
Never mind the old, white men who pay the athletes under the table. Take your racial overtures somewhere else. Today's NCAA does not have any governing power whatsoever. The last bit was stripped from them when the members voted after the Penn State punishment. NCAA is just a figurehead now. The real power lies in the conferences, most notably in the power 5. What they want goes for the most part. Only times that the NCAA can effectively dole out punishments now is when the college admits to wrong doing-suchas the Notre Dame and South Carolina penalties. NC, MIAMI,and Tenn used legal maneuvers and deniability to stay out of punishment.
NCAA can not fight that because they do not have a legal means to gather information.
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At some point you have to stop blaming the NCAA and you have to start pointing the finger at Universities for not leaving the NCAA and forming their own league. They agree to abide by certain rules by staying in the NCAA when the NCAA can't effectively enforce even the ones that aren't bad.
The fact that the NCAA can not effectively enforce rules is why many of the top schools do not want to leave. They know they can get away with things that may be inexcusable in a new governing entity. Let the NCAA take the hit and you can still operate as normal.
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The fact that the NCAA can not effectively enforce rules is why many of the top schools do not want to leave. They know they can get away with things that may be inexcusable in a new governing entity. Let the NCAA take the hit and you can still operate as normal.
This is probably the sad truth. Want to cheat and get away with it, all you have to do is refuse to admit it and the NCAA won't really do anything to you. If they started a new governing body, it might not be so easy.
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Real reason? It's the NCAA, not the NDAA.

(North Carolina Athletic Association vs. Notre Dame Athletic Association)
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Another difference between ND and UNC situation is that ND self reported and unc was caught. Seems like they want you to hide the fact mistakes happened. Also someone going rogue is not as bad as an entire university setting up fake courses to keep kids eligible.

The NCAA is a joke and have ruined college sports.
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