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Old 03-12-2018, 07:35 AM   #121
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To be fair, Martin did not know Felder would get in trouble, and likely didn't expect Dozier to go pro when he did. And, Frank expected to have a healthy Holden. If all of that had happened as expected, there would have been no PG problem this season. So I give Frank a pass this year.

I suppose he might have anticipated Dozier leaving, although I didn't, and probably not many people did. But I don't know how he could have expected Felder, or Holden's injury. I expect Frank will be trying to avoid a repeat of this season next year.
From what was posted here and others said, it was known Dozier would be gone after last year.

As for Felder, it was his second run in while here, so probably should have looked into a back up plan, which I guess he did with Booker and Meyers.
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As posted, it was a merciful death. The season needed to end. I believe the NIT is a bit of a false reward. Sometimes, as a player or coach, you need to go into the off-season with that feeling of failure to drive you. Going to the NIT softens that and makes you feel like you still accomplished something. I donít want that. I want this team to come back hungry next season.
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Quit blaming players that didnít play. Martin doesnít whine about now having players. Bottom line we werenít good enough. We were barely above .500, 7-11 conference.
Can I blame players that did play? Because if that's an option, I've got one particular one in mind that probably has a 3:1 turnover:assist ratio as a PG.
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Can I blame players that did play? Because if that's an option, I've got one particular one in mind that probably has a 3:1 turnover:assist ratio as a PG.
Iíve never understood why fans get mad at players who arenít playing well.

I donít blame the players at all. They didnít recruit themselves here. They didnít offer themselves scholarships. They didnít decide who played and didnít play. A player may not play well, but whether they get in the game or not isnít on them. If a player sucks and heís left in the game, thatís not the players fault.
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Iíve never understood why fans get mad at players who arenít playing well.

I donít blame the players at all. They didnít recruit themselves here. They didnít offer themselves scholarships. They didnít decide who played and didnít play. A player may not play well, but whether they get in the game or not isnít on them. If a player sucks and heís left in the game, thatís not the players fault.
I see your logic and I know what you are saying, but it's hard to watch someone struggle so much at a position. And I think I've said it earlier, just a few less turnovers per game and we had potential to be a bubble team without any improved scoring--which is saying a lot.

Was some of that on Martin? Sure. He recruited Hasanni, he's coached him for years, he's the one that determined what his role would be. And I don't have any ill will towards the kid. I'm sure he's a great person (has to be to have Frank as a coach for so long) and it looked like he gave 100%, but it's also not a secret that point guard play was a glaring problem this year.

My response was in regards to blaming PJ for going pro early or Felder for making bad decisions and not being available. I don't blame PJ at all. The writing was on the wall for his possible violations and he thought it was time to move on. Felder put himself in a bad situation when Martin stuck his neck out for him, so I think a bit of blame is legit.
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At least we had a winning season...that's not nothing.
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:59 PM   #127
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Shouldn't someone change the title of this thread to Gamecocks Not in 2018 NIT.

Face it, this was a mercy killing. The NIT did us a favor.

Maybe Frank can now concentrate on bringing in some good players to the team.
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Old 03-12-2018, 03:44 PM   #128
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Our win over Limestone didn't count for selection committees because they are a D2 school.

So we were 16-16 in the NIT committee's eyes. Not a snowball's chance this time around.
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Old 03-12-2018, 05:06 PM   #129
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I liked Booker's effort the last few games, but it was hard to watch Gravett commit so many turnovers and squander leads.

We just didn't have the horsepower in the back-court this year and I am glad it's over this time around.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:48 PM   #130
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I liked Booker's effort the last few games, but it was hard to watch Gravett commit so many turnovers and squander leads.

We just didn't have the horsepower in the back-court this year and I am glad it's over this time around.
its been written many times that gravett is a natural 2 guard..felder was the expected pg...but evidently we cant blame players who didnt play. so gravett takes blame for being bad at a position he wasnt ever supposed to play. I guess he was magically expected to do well even though he was forced to play pg.
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its been written many times that gravett is a natural 2 guard..felder was the expected pg...but evidently we cant blame players who didnt play. so gravett takes blame for being bad at a position he wasnt ever supposed to play. I guess he was magically expected to do well even though he was forced to play pg.
Go to about the 7:00 mark in the ARK PG presser. That's our problem in a nutshell.



Lack of aggression at the G position; not necessarily the PG.

Gravett got picked so many times because he was dribbling around looking for a guy in the paint to pass it to instead of driving into the paint for a layup or to draw contact for a foul.

Frank expects the G position to drive into the paint and get the opposing bigs into foul trouble to kill the opposing teams momentum and make it easier for our own bigs.

Hassani could have avoided a lot of those turnovers by just driving before the defense got set and closed the lanes off.

The team suffered because he, and the other Gs, were too passive at the G position on offense and he failed to guard the ball on defense during the skid.

I don't see how he gets any better at this point even though he has a great-looking Euro-step that he never uses.

Lots of similarities between him and Ty Johnson in that respect.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:14 AM   #132
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Go to about the 7:00 mark in the ARK PG presser. That's our problem in a nutshell.



Lack of aggression at the G position; not necessarily the PG.

Gravett got picked so many times because he was dribbling around looking for a guy in the paint to pass it to instead of driving into the paint for a layup or to draw contact for a foul.

Frank expects the G position to drive into the paint and get the opposing bigs into foul trouble to kill the opposing teams momentum and make it easier for our own bigs.

Hassani could have avoided a lot of those turnovers by just driving before the defense got set and closed the lanes off.

The team suffered because he, and the other Gs, were too passive at the G position on offense and he failed to guard the ball on defense during the skid.

I don't see how he gets any better at this point even though he has a great-looking Euro-step that he never uses.

Lots of similarities between him and Ty Johnson in that respect.
I never felt like Gravett had the athleticism (quickness) and savvy to drive into the paint. When he tried he could not get the ball to the right person or he lost it out of bounds. He could rarely get to the hoop to draw a foul and missed layups or short shots and had his shot blocked a lot.
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Old 03-14-2018, 12:21 PM   #133
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its been written many times that gravett is a natural 2 guard..felder was the expected pg...but evidently we cant blame players who didnt play. so gravett takes blame for being bad at a position he wasnt ever supposed to play. I guess he was magically expected to do well even though he was forced to play pg.
Gravett was recruited to SC to be a PG. He is a miss. It happens. Problem at SC is we have several misses.

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Old 03-15-2018, 08:21 AM   #134
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Just hard to believe we were a Final 4 team last year and not even a NIT team this year. Hard to wrap my mind around. That Final 4 appearance should have jump started everything for the BB team. Sigh.
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Just hard to believe we were a Final 4 team last year and not even a NIT team this year. Hard to wrap my mind around. That Final 4 appearance should have jump started everything for the BB team. Sigh.
We lost too many players from that team. Frank tried his best to replace those players, and they came up short in the end, not by much, tho. Felder was a huge loss no matter how you look at it. He wasn't even practicing with the team until January.

I'm disappointed we couldn't get in the tourney, but I honestly think CFM deserves credit for getting this team to overachieve this year. We did have some very good wins, we were projected a 7 seed at one point not long ago.
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Lets really be honest here with ourselves, OK? The Final Four was great, but it was also totally, TOTALLY unexpected. We were all pins and needles before making the NCAAT that we would get passed over again, and then after that we were just happy to win the 1st game. No one - and I mean NO ONE - ever came close to seeing that Final Four happen. So to regard it afterwards like we have a Final Four type program is not being too realistic....
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Lets really be honest here with ourselves, OK? The Final Four was great, but it was also totally, TOTALLY unexpected. We were all pins and needles before making the NCAAT that we would get passed over again, and then after that we were just happy to win the 1st game. No one - and I mean NO ONE - ever came close to seeing that Final Four happen. So to regard it afterwards like we have a Final Four type program is not being too realistic....
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I felt like we were a border line NIT team before the season. Thought we'd get in at the end though.
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