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Old 10-12-2018, 10:07 AM   #141
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i dont know if this was necessarily muschamp's reasoning but my guess is he felt that if scar got the start performed well and we won he'd have no choice but to go with scar for the rest of the season. muschamp doesnt want to be put in a position where he basically has to keep jake on the bench without giving him another shot first and overall doesnt want to be in the position where he goes into next season not knowing what he has in jake. we have a healthy backup qb coming off a great game that i dont believe cwm will hesitate to put in there if jake is ineffective.


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This discussion is sooo reminiscent of Shaw vs. Thompson, except:
- Bentley is not nearly as polished as Shaw and his struggles are more apparent and influential on the win column.
- Scar doesn't have NEARLY the body of work for the wild claims some on here are making (unlike the dozens of passes we had seen by Thompson).

I think the current situation is both more and less muddy than the previous one, if that makes sense. Bentley is probably better and Scar probably worse than they are getting credit for -- but that doesn't really speak toward which would be the better start. Call me fickle, but I would hate to be making the call prior to taking to the field Saturday.
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This discussion is sooo reminiscent of Shaw vs. Thompson, except:

- Bentley is not nearly as polished as Shaw and his struggles are more apparent and influential on the win column.

- Scar doesn't have NEARLY the body of work for the wild claims some on here are making (unlike the dozens of passes we had seen by Thompson).



I think the current situation is both more and less muddy than the previous one, if that makes sense. Bentley is probably better and Scar probably worse than they are getting credit for -- but that doesn't really speak toward which would be the better start. Call me fickle, but I would hate to be making the call prior to taking to the field Saturday.


But the beauty of going with Scar is if he didnít live up to the new hype put Bentley back in and stop the controversy
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:14 AM   #144
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Correct. Thatís how humans make advancement, by showing courage. Thatís how you knock off top teams, too. Trust your linemen. Watch the UGA game, even the Kentucky game. Clean pocket regularly. Step up and go through progressions. A good QB canít play scared.


This is a strong point and worthy of a thread is Jake scrambling or running?


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Correct. That’s how humans make advancement, by showing courage. That’s how you knock off top teams, too. Trust your linemen. Watch the UGA game, even the Kentucky game. Clean pocket regularly. Step up and go through progressions. A good QB can’t play scared.
Yeah. Now watch the Georgia and Kentucky games looking at the RECEIVERS if you want to see what playing scared looks like. It’s a bit tough going thru progressions when your receivers aren’t particularly killing themselves to work themselves open and then get gator arms when you DO go their way. That door swings both ways; two to tango.
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Correct. Thatís how humans make advancement, by showing courage. Thatís how you knock off top teams, too. Trust your linemen. Watch the UGA game, even the Kentucky game. Clean pocket regularly. Step up and go through progressions. A good QB canít play scared.
Jake didn't lose the UGA game, certainly

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I’m not blaming just Jake. Never have. Read the title of the thread. There are other threads about WRs, etc.

FTR, I hope Jake kills it this week. I hope he kills it every week and starts beating good teams. I truly do.
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Old 10-12-2018, 11:17 AM   #148
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Iím not blaming just Jake. Never have. Read the title of the thread. There are other threads about WRs, etc.

FTR, I hope Jake kills it this week. I hope he kills it every week and starts beating good teams. I truly do.
In all fairness he can't do it alone. The rest of the team has to step up too.
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Who has a better pass defense: Missouri or Vanderbilt? It's a sincere question. I ask because of the teams the two QBs have each faced, these seem to be the most comparable.

If it's Missouri, then it seems clear Scarnecchia outplayed Bentley, but the difference in venue must also be taken into consideration.

If it's Vanderbilt, then Bentley is not nearly as bad as some want us to believe. Has he struggled this year? I think the answer is clearly yes, but he has faced tougher competition than Scarnecchia has.
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Who has a better pass defense: Missouri or Vanderbilt? It's a sincere question. I ask because of the teams the two QBs have each faced, these seem to be the most comparable.

If it's Missouri, then it seems clear Scarnecchia outplayed Bentley, but the difference in venue must also be taken into consideration.

If it's Vanderbilt, then Bentley is not nearly as bad as some want us to believe. Has he struggled this year? I think the answer is clearly yes, but he has faced tougher competition than Scarnecchia has.

MO = 117
Vandy = tied for 80th


That is if you go by passing yards per game against their defenses.


Ole Miss will be the worst pass defense that we play all year.... they are ranked 124th out of 130.
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Lots of dropped passes. I don't recall a team in recent memory that has had more dropped passes than our team this year. Or, maybe they just stand out more because they were drops at crucial moments. Bentley does have his faults, sure, every QB does, but the drops aren't helping.
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Bentley is not a great qb just average. Bentley should start but on a short leach. This is a big game and Bentley is known to chock in big games. I wish our coaches could develope quarterbacks. Maybe Joyner should get a look.
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I like both kids. It is Muschamp"s job and he has the most to loose.
If we block well for the run game and tackle well on "D" we win.
Win first, play both if possible.
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Jake is not a bust if we win tomorrow.
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Well if I remember correctly Spurrier didn't do that in the Shaw/Thompson controversy he just kept going Shaw despite the fans and it worked out pretty well. Any coach who worries about what fans are saying is an idiot. So you're saying Muschamp should be an idiot and start Scar strictly because there is a vocal segment of the fan base pushing it? He's starting the guy who he thinks gives him the best chance to win, period.
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Duwayne Johnson lost his starting job as a junior to Warren Sapp a freshman due to injury...The Rock went into acting and Sapp to the NFL...


The question is wrong here though...Scar won with zero interceptions...Jake is 1-7 against ranked teams and has ints all over the place.


Here is the question since Jake is starting this week, "What is the over/under for the first pick 6 this week?"


I want to be down for before the 10:28 mark of the second quarter
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OK, Jake didn't throw his traditional 'pick-6' yesterday with the defender catching the ball and going untouched to the endzone for the 6. But throwing a pic in the endzone that keeps 6 off of our side of the scoreboard should count as an unconventional pick-6. I believe that all of us would agree that we were on our way to scoring a TD on that drive. At worst, it would be a pick-3.


Wonder what Vegas would think about this? FTR this was in the first quarter so time isn't an issue here.
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Well if I remember correctly Spurrier didn't do that in the Shaw/Thompson controversy he just kept going Shaw despite the fans and it worked out pretty well. Any coach who worries about what fans are saying is an idiot. So you're saying Muschamp should be an idiot and start Scar strictly because there is a vocal segment of the fan base pushing it? He's starting the guy who he thinks gives him the best chance to win, period.
First off, Bent is no Connor Shaw.


Secondly, Go back and take a look at the Clemson game and the Outback
Bowl that season. Shaw didn't play at all in the Clemson game and Thompson was the QB got the W against Michigan.
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What is he now?




I would argue that he isn't a 'bust', but he isn't a messiah at QB either...or a Moses...or a Noah...or a Joshua...he's just a kid playing QB that would have benefitted greatly from being sat down at the start of the game yesterday.


This was a game that we should have won. And we would have won with Scar.
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How difficult is it for McClendon to call plays with this offense in the first quarter? And everytime this team wins the toss and takes the ball, that is also a coaching fail
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