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Old 01-12-2019, 12:38 AM   #321
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Need to git some o' dat NET love by kickin' the corn cobs on Sunday.

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That's fugly. How could we be 50 spots behind aTm?
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That's fugly. How could we be 50 spots behind aTm?
It wasn't the strongest OOC slate to begin with, but then we didn't do so well against it, including losing to a bad 300+ RPI opponent in Wyoming. Usually those type of opponents are who we have our best scoring results against. So it caused our overall RPI to plummet....

And yes we're not using RPI anymore. At least with RPI, it was fairly transparent on how it was calculated. But the NET involves a "Team Value Index" that is based on game results: the factors are opponent, location, and winner. The "Opponent" factor is vague, and was a causing factor for the RPI system to be created in the first place - the debate about just how "quality" an opponent was to begin with.

Under this new system, unless the NCAA breaks down what determines the value for the "Opponent" factor, it'll be left for committee members to say arbitrarily that this win wasn't that impressive, while that win was, in determining who gets in and who gets left out....

But in the early analysis, it seems that regardless of RPI or NET, our OOC schedule was bad, and we then went 4-7 against it, so that pretty much explains our low standing in either ranking....
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Losing to Stony Brook and especially Wyoming, hurt.
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Old 01-13-2019, 10:32 AM   #326
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It wasn't the strongest OOC slate to begin with, but then we didn't do so well against it, including losing to a bad 300+ RPI opponent in Wyoming. Usually those type of opponents are who we have our best scoring results against. So it caused our overall RPI to plummet....

And yes we're not using RPI anymore. At least with RPI, it was fairly transparent on how it was calculated. But the NET involves a "Team Value Index" that is based on game results: the factors are opponent, location, and winner. The "Opponent" factor is vague, and was a causing factor for the RPI system to be created in the first place - the debate about just how "quality" an opponent was to begin with.

Under this new system, unless the NCAA breaks down what determines the value for the "Opponent" factor, it'll be left for committee members to say arbitrarily that this win wasn't that impressive, while that win was, in determining who gets in and who gets left out....

But in the early analysis, it seems that regardless of RPI or NET, our OOC schedule was bad, and we then went 4-7 against it, so that pretty much explains our low standing in either ranking....
Thanks for the explanation. It must have been really bad before we beat UF and MSU.
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Thanks for the explanation. It must have been really bad before we beat UF and MSU.

They only made the switch official at the end of November (they were 'perfecting' the system before that). So there was no NET ranking for us throughout most of the bad portion of our OOC schedule.
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Our NET ranking went up by about 20 points since last week.



Mizzou dropped by 10 points.

Gotta play us some PacMan the next few weeks.

Don't get emotional. Just stay focus and keep workin' it.
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I'd love to see us win 18 or 19 games, but my guess is 15 or 16 wins tops. But from where they were (a deep hole) that would be an accomplishment.
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Interesting, 10 days ago everybody was calling for Frank to be fired. All of a sudden how things have changes. Now folks are talking about how many wins.
I just want them to keep playing hard every night and we’ll count em up after the season.
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I just want them to keep playing hard every night and we’ll count em up after the season.


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Interesting, 10 days ago everybody was calling for Frank to be fired. All of a sudden how things have changes. Now folks are talking about how many wins.
I just want them to keep playing hard every night and we’ll count em up after the season.

This is a much better approach. We have a fun team, and it's enjoyable watching them play better, but let's see what happens when we start playing the top half of the SEC. My money is on us going to the NofIT, which would be great after how the season started.
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Our NET ranking went up by about 20 points since last week.



Mizzou dropped by 10 points.

Gotta play us some PacMan the next few weeks.

Don't get emotional. Just stay focus and keep workin' it.

And as a follow up to my above post, judging from this, the NET system takes into account any games played against lower division opponents? All of the RPI ranking systems I've seen, the North Greenville game is discounted, and by them we're only 7-7 currently on the season. It could be that the Div. II game is counted here, and despite us winning it handily, it is still counting against us, as this system is supposed to put value on quality opponents, and any Div. II opponent cannot be considered a quality opponent.....
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Interesting, 10 days ago everybody was calling for Frank to be fired. All of a sudden how things have changes. Now folks are talking about how many wins.
I just want them to keep playing hard every night and we’ll count em up after the season.
Maybe they'll actually show up to games now that the team is more deserving of their support.
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Old 01-16-2019, 09:42 AM   #335
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And as a follow up to my above post, judging from this, the NET system takes into account any games played against lower division opponents? All of the RPI ranking systems I've seen, the North Greenville game is discounted, and by them we're only 7-7 currently on the season. It could be that the Div. II game is counted here, and despite us winning it handily, it is still counting against us, as this system is supposed to put value on quality opponents, and any Div. II opponent cannot be considered a quality opponent.....
North Greenville does not count. NET divides the 353 D1 teams into four quadrants and non-D1 teams are not included.

The quadrant system will have some inequities - like the football recruiting rankings where a high 4*is about the same a low 5* but there is still a one star difference. A high Quadrant 2 team is close to low Quadrant 1 team, but the points derived from beating that team will be much different.

If North Greenville had counted, we would not have gotten much of a boost from the 51 point final spread. NET awards margin of victory but caps the bump at 10 points. The Mizzou game was perfect since we won by 10 points.

Well, not exactly perfect - if we played Mizzou at the other Columbia or on a neutral court, they would have been a Quadrant Two team instead of a Quadrant Three.

Confusing? You bet.
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For all of the "Get rid of Frank because he can't bring in the in-state talent" folks, Vandy had more highly rated South Carolina players on their roster than we did. And they lost at home.

I can't knock Nesmith's play - he played his heart out and Vandy was in the game until the end because of him - but Lawson matched him and we won. I would rather have Lawson than Nesmith for two reasons - I think he is a better overall player, and he wanted to be a Gamecock and Nesmith did not.

The way to get the in-state players is to have more games like last night. Games where talented in-state players play their hardest but still see their team lose to South Carolina.

Let's hope that Nesmith gets to see some more losses while he is at Vandy. Of course, if he wants to transfer.......
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Vandy win gave us a good NET rank bump.



RPI at 96.
I'd post this everywhere the players could see it. In their lockers, on the doors, ... everywhere so that they would remember that despite what they have done they are still dead last in the conference on this measure.
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Vandy win gave us a good NET rank bump.



RPI at 96.
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Getting to a 4-game winning streak is significant because it means the team has bought in and understands his system.

The previous squads either weren't bought into his system or didn't handle success well during the regular season. They would rest on their laurels and/or try to play outside of Frank's system after one or two good wins.

Hassani is trying to copy the aggressive offensive styles of AJ and KB in his own way and it is awesome to watch.

I am still taking this one game at a time, but I think we're looking at a Final Four-type run in conference play and beyond this year.

The guys have figured enough things out to make them excited to play against the odds.

We're going to have pretty good depth on the bench by the midpoint of league play.

It's gonna be fun to watch.
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