The Penn State Thread

[EazyCock]

i do.

[DawginCola]

You deserve the death penalty? For what?


Anyway, no they don't. What the University did to cover up the actions taken by Sandusky is reprehensible, but there were not NCAA violations committed.

[ccured]

they deserve the death penalty but not by the NCAA. The school needs to take it upon themselves.

[Roosterboy]

While I think they should, there is nothing the NCAA can really do here.

They aren't a criminal enforcement body...just an academic compliance office.
This didn't give PSU an athletic advantage....

I do think all those still alive should be charged as conspirators to the endangerment of a child.

This is not an NCAA problem, this is a legal problem.

[Halltj2]

i do too lol

[Roosterboy]

As to a person...I'm against the death penalty...but I'd make an exception to those that covered this up...not Sandusky though, I'd rather see him get his in the prison...CHOMOs typically don't last long...as twisted as some inmates are, they do have a code...you don't harm kids.

[STEPHONGILMOREFAN!]

Yes

[Coondog]

Originally Posted by DawginCola

You deserve the death penalty? For what?


Anyway, no they don't. What the University did to cover up the actions taken by Sandusky is reprehensible, but there were not NCAA violations committed.

You can't tell me that they didn't gain a competitive edge from the cover up. If this was dealt with back in 1998 Paterno very well could have been dismissed since he was in his 70's. How about recruiting? Having a child molestor as your DC certainly would have affected how parents thought of the program and there influence on there kids. The entire cover up and letting Sanduski continue to bring kids to the school was all because Penn St didn't want bad publicity that would affect there football program.

If this was a teacher and not the DC for the football program do you really think the university would have let it continue? If this isn't lack of institutional control then what is?

I'm sorry but this whole thing makes me sick. The fact that they not only turned a blind eye but they gave Sandusky an office and free pass to all the facilities while looking the other way as he did unmentionable things to children deserves far more than just the death penalty. Also the NCAA needs to allow there players to transfer without restrictions and even give them another year of eligibility if needed, the players should not be punished for what Paterno and Co did.

[GarnetInChicago]

No. It's punishing the wrong people. If it were to happen, the players I'm sure would be allowed to transfer without penalty like they were at SMU. But that's still not what they decided for themselves in terms of where to get their education. Not to mention the numerous people whose livelihoods are connected to the football program who would be seriously harmed by the death penalty. The people responsible for this are facing criminal charges and the University is going to pay through the nose in the civil cases. Further punishing the football program is unnecessary and misdirected.

[bhusc2002]

Originally Posted by Roosterboy

While I think they should, there is nothing the NCAA can really do here.

They aren't a criminal enforcement body...just an academic compliance office.
This didn't give PSU an athletic advantage....

I do think all those still alive should be charged as conspirators to the endangerment of a child.

This is not an NCAA problem, this is a legal problem.

So, them covering up the situation didn't make it so that they could get highly ranked recruits that they would not have gotten if the story of a serial child molester on campus and closely tied to the football program had gotten out? I would have to disagree with that.

[FloydTheBarber]

If the NCAA can determine a ham sandwich to be an impermissible benefit to the program, then why can't it determine the covering up of heinous crimes to also be an impermissible benefit to the program?

Had those crimes not been covered up, it would have hurt the football program. Thus, you can easily make the point that by covering up the crimes, the program was provided a competitive advantage in terms of not getting hit with recruiting issues of a child molester in your locker room.

yes, they should get the death penalty to rid the school of this "football as king" cult-like-atmosphere. it's the only way it will be corrected.

[I Bleed Garnet]

No

[ktguen]

No. If they stop football, it should be self inflicted. Crimes were committed, but not NCAA violations. The school should clean house in the athletic department and start fresh from there. No reason for the NCAA to get involved unless there were violations.

[Lonnie]

I heard a caller from PA on Mark Packers show the other AM. He made some excellent points on why exactly the football program should be shut down for awhile.

A few that stood out to me were that most of the Board of Trustees own property in College Station and make large sums of money renting the property out for football games. He gave several other examples of how those that were "in the know" personally profited from keeping the Sandusky issue under wraps. In that sense it wasn't so much about "saving the reputation of the program" as much as making $$$'s for themselves. That's wrong.

So in that sense, yes, shutting down the program WILL HURT those that were directly responsible for the cover up. Will others be swept up too? Yes. But life isn't fair. Do you think the players would have made the same decisions regarding Penn St if those that were responsible disclosed what they knew?

[rioninusc]

As other posters have stated, Penn St. did have an edge for the schools name not being tarnished and a coach that should of been brought forward and been senticed a long time ago, also got to stay and help Penn St. to victory.

First off take the wins /losses and NC away from the years that Sandusky was caught and covered up until now. Joe Pa was associated with the problem and let it continue. This imo is the Death penalty they deserve.

Second: fire everyone who was associated with the coverup of the Sandusky Case, and bring charges on them.

Third: Replace those people and let it be a message to everyone around the world that a persons well being is more important than winning a game.

[USCBASEBALL1]

How can people say they do not deserve the Death Penalty. What the hell is Lack of Institutional Control then? The NCAA needs to grow a set and kill that program for a minimum of 1 year. Turn your head and the sh*t could happen again.

[carolinafan111]

Let the legal system work itself out before the NCAA gets involved.. they are already too involved as an organization as it is.

[davidmc467]

Don't punish the current players and staff for what the previous administration and coaches did....you're punishing the wrong people.

[MikeTrainNC8]

Absolutely. It is hilarious that people think they do not.

They 10000% benefited unjustly, and led recruits and parents to believe that it was a safe environment (just because recruits were not raped- that we know of- doesn't mean it was safe).

It was one of the biggest sports scandals ever, and IMO is worse than anything SMU or other school did. This wasn't just abuot winning and losing, it was about children and people's lives. They lied to everyone. And the school (and the fans that still support Joe Pa etc) need a wake up call that football is NOT that important. They need a year of no football at least.

I do love that they tried to cover it up to "preserve their image/legacy" and keep football going strong, and now it is in shambles. That a mother/father would send a recruit there (and that big time recruits would sign there) is a sad sad thing.. IDC if Joe Pa, sandusky, Spanier etc are gone, that school is a representative of everything wrong with today's Universities and I would never want anyone in my family associated with that, they cradled a culture of secrecy, lies, and some of the worst behavior possible at a school from the top to the bottom. The freaking janitors were scared to say anything, knowing that football>>all there.

Tear it down and start it over. If this horrible crime just now came out, imagine all the other things they covered up.

[FloydTheBarber]

Originally Posted by davidmc467

Don't punish the current players and staff for what the previous administration and coaches did....you're punishing the wrong people.

It happens all the time.

And besides- how else do you think the culture that allowed this type of thing to be covered up to be changed?