Question about Attrition

Next Year · 01-20-2013, 06:11 PM

Why do the majority of players and coaches leave the University of South Carolina at the first available opportunity?

It seems that people will jump ship for at least a lateral position or a shot at UDFA.

Is this the same at other major football programs?

What do you think?

I am not saying the sky is falling or that we have not retained ANYONE when it comes to our program but when I hear about these moves and transfers I wonder if this is normal and if this is in any way a statement about our program.

johnnyb · 01-20-2013, 08:05 PM

I can understand many of them leaving, lots of times there are "other factors" involved in the decision...this one has me puzzled, unless we didn't attempt to keep him for whatever reason

TheMule · 01-20-2013, 08:14 PM

Sometimes I wonder if we're not paying our coaches with Confederate money.

Nureye · 01-20-2013, 08:40 PM

Lawing was here for 16 years....

Back up from the ledge.

Next Year · 01-20-2013, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Nureye

Lawing was here for 16 years....

Back up from the ledge.

Whatever man.

cofcgamecock9 · 01-20-2013, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Next Year

Why do the majority of players and coaches leave the University of South Carolina at the first available opportunity?

It seems that people will jump ship for at least a lateral position or a shot at UDFA.
.

75 undergraduate players declared for the draft this year. 2 of those went to SC and one we COMPLETELY understand because he had two major knee injuries. Have you seen UGA, LSU, or Floridas early declarations????

And yet you think we have a problem with players going to the draft early. Do me a favor, look up the players that are leaving early from LSU and tell me that you wouldn't be saying the exact same thing if you were a fan of LSU?

Next Year · 01-20-2013, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

75 undergraduate players declared for the draft this year. 2 of those went to SC and one we COMPLETELY understand because he had two major knee injuries. Have you seen UGA, LSU, or Floridas early declarations????

And yet you think we have a problem with players going to the draft early. Do me a favor, look up the players that are leaving early from LSU and tell me that you wouldn't be saying the exact same thing if you were a fan of LSU?

You and Nureye are taking a very narrow view of the questions. I am talking years and draft positions. Unlike those other teams you mentioned , over the last say 5 years, how many draft eligible players have decided to go pro rather than stay for their junior and senior seasons?

FanofCarolina1 · 01-20-2013, 09:20 PM

The University has done a great job of bringing in quality coaches.
I have no doubt that USC will find just as good of a replacement if not better.

AikenRooster2112 · 01-20-2013, 10:08 PM

Dude, you can't blame a player for leaving early, if he can make some money, even for a few years, in the NFL. It is better, even at NFL minimum wage, than a starting salary at a regular job, even with a degree. He can come back later and get the degree. He wouldn't even.be in school, if it weren't for the scholarship. Besides, the University is raking in millions, and all he is getting is a lousy scholarship. Plus, if you got players leaving early, you got good players. LSU, Florida, Georgia, Alabama. etc. We need more players leaving early, especially linemen, because then, we will probably have won some SEC championships.

The players only come to college as a stepping stone to the NFL.

AikenRooster2112 · 01-20-2013, 10:10 PM

As far as coaches go, I guess they want to be winners, too, so they go to winning programs.

mater · 01-20-2013, 11:34 PM

Yet no one is screaming they are upset knowing that Clowney is done after this year...

Cocky2001 · 01-20-2013, 11:49 PM

Any given play can be a players last play...you cannot blame them for leaving early. Be thankful that we have players that can be drafted after their third year.

How many of Brad Scott's players ever left early???

Concerning coaches...Lawing has been here since the BS days...his leaving really has nothing to do with football and everything to do with off the field issues that he believes a change in venue will help him with.

The first case is part of the price of success...the second is just a case where moving on may be a little better for the person. The sky really isn't falling.

GTjacketcock · 01-21-2013, 12:42 PM

I don't know about coaches, because I'm sure there are lots of factors that play a part in their decisions.

As far as players, I think it's a coach thing. Spurrier encourages all of his junior players to put in their papers to get an NFL Draft evaluation whereas Dabo professes his love to players and tells them what they want to hear to make them stay. It seems that Spurrier has the players' best interests in mind while Dabo tries to convince them to stay and help make himself look good.

Spur's Addiction · 01-21-2013, 01:14 PM

Guess they don't want to wait till next year.

eatlighting · 01-21-2013, 03:02 PM

We will continue to have these head scratching moments until:

A) We finally win some big ones. 11-2 seasons don't hurt, but in the grand scheme of things, we need some serious hardware to make believers.

B) We get a head coach who blows A LOT of smoke up the respective butts of players and coaches alike. You will never hear HBC talking about our program "standing in the doorway to greatness" unless he's talking about another program's success. He doesn't do things that way, and he's not going to start. I'm not saying I want him to do that, but when you're a player looking to go to the next level or a coach looking to win a big one, it takes a lot of faith to keep coming back for what may be another non-championship season. Even though some of those same smoke-blowers aren't doing anything special either, they just sell the idea. Spurrier will never do that.

C) We end up with both somehow.

Even then, though, a lot of the great programs out there still have this happen. People are constantly head hunting the elite schools. You don't hear about it or see major negative effects though because those elite schools can just reload at will with players and coaches.

We won't be that way until we accomplish letter A above a couple of times.

sc455 · 01-21-2013, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mater

Yet no one is screaming they are upset knowing that Clowney is done after this year...

good point, clowney is treated by some around here with kid gloves..the no practice until games next year was and is a ridiulous view point.

but, ace leaves and the world is coming to a halt. i am not going out on a limb by saying losing clowneys impact on the game is double that of aces impact. weird.

ssladler · 01-21-2013, 06:09 PM

Dude.. you have no idea how many of our coaches have not "left at the first opportunity". You really only hear about accepted opportunities, not all the opportunities that were turned down. Whammy said it today: Lawing's pretty much had an open invite to move to Bama, and he has repeatedly turned it down.

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01-20-2013, 06:11 PM	#1
Next Year America is Great. Male Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Gamecock Nation Posts: 2,551 CockyCash: 1212141	Question about Attrition Why do the majority of players and coaches leave the University of South Carolina at the first available opportunity? It seems that people will jump ship for at least a lateral position or a shot at UDFA. Is this the same at other major football programs? What do you think? I am not saying the sky is falling or that we have not retained ANYONE when it comes to our program but when I hear about these moves and transfers I wonder if this is normal and if this is in any way a statement about our program. __________________ Hang in there!

01-20-2013, 08:05 PM	#2
johnnyb Banneded Male Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: He's Everywhere! Posts: 22,861 CockyCash: 1382674460	Re: Question about Attrition I can understand many of them leaving, lots of times there are "other factors" involved in the decision...this one has me puzzled, unless we didn't attempt to keep him for whatever reason __________________ To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead.

01-20-2013, 08:14 PM	#3
TheMule Band Male Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Gaffney, SC Posts: 12,863 CockyCash: 1000200	Re: Question about Attrition Sometimes I wonder if we're not paying our coaches with Confederate money. __________________ gt Here's to you, Feisty and Spurd&Fthrd.

01-20-2013, 08:40 PM	#4
Nureye White helmets rule Male Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Columbia Posts: 3,066 CockyCash: 415	Re: Question about Attrition Lawing was here for 16 years.... Back up from the ledge. __________________ I'm only here for the reputation points.

01-20-2013, 09:20 PM	#8
FanofCarolina1 💩💩💩💩 Male Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Too far from home Posts: 15,835 CockyCash: 640	Re: Question about Attrition The University has done a great job of bringing in quality coaches. I have no doubt that USC will find just as good of a replacement if not better. __________________

01-20-2013, 10:08 PM	#9
AikenRooster2112 4-Star Male Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Where ever I lay my head Posts: 307 CockyCash: 500	Re: Question about Attrition Dude, you can't blame a player for leaving early, if he can make some money, even for a few years, in the NFL. It is better, even at NFL minimum wage, than a starting salary at a regular job, even with a degree. He can come back later and get the degree. He wouldn't even.be in school, if it weren't for the scholarship. Besides, the University is raking in millions, and all he is getting is a lousy scholarship. Plus, if you got players leaving early, you got good players. LSU, Florida, Georgia, Alabama. etc. We need more players leaving early, especially linemen, because then, we will probably have won some SEC championships. The players only come to college as a stepping stone to the NFL.

01-20-2013, 10:10 PM	#10
AikenRooster2112 4-Star Male Join Date: Nov 2012 Location: Where ever I lay my head Posts: 307 CockyCash: 500	Re: Question about Attrition As far as coaches go, I guess they want to be winners, too, so they go to winning programs.

01-20-2013, 11:34 PM	#11
mater Class of '02 Male Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: lexington, SC Posts: 3,297 CockyCash: 100380	Re: Question about Attrition Yet no one is screaming they are upset knowing that Clowney is done after this year... __________________ "When would a monkey have a trunk?" "When a suitcase just won't do."

01-20-2013, 11:49 PM	#12
Cocky2001 Blue Chip Male Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 995 CockyCash: 200	Re: Question about Attrition Any given play can be a players last play...you cannot blame them for leaving early. Be thankful that we have players that can be drafted after their third year. How many of Brad Scott's players ever left early??? Concerning coaches...Lawing has been here since the BS days...his leaving really has nothing to do with football and everything to do with off the field issues that he believes a change in venue will help him with. The first case is part of the price of success...the second is just a case where moving on may be a little better for the person. The sky really isn't falling. __________________ "Fear causes hesitation, And hesitation causes Your worst fears to come true." Bodhi.

01-21-2013, 12:42 PM	#13
GTjacketcock Hell of an Engineer Male Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 435 CockyCash: 500	Re: Question about Attrition I don't know about coaches, because I'm sure there are lots of factors that play a part in their decisions. As far as players, I think it's a coach thing. Spurrier encourages all of his junior players to put in their papers to get an NFL Draft evaluation whereas Dabo professes his love to players and tells them what they want to hear to make them stay. It seems that Spurrier has the players' best interests in mind while Dabo tries to convince them to stay and help make himself look good. __________________

01-21-2013, 01:14 PM	#14
Spur's Addiction Been caught moddin' Male Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Raaaawlee, NC Posts: 16,263 CockyCash: 200	Re: Question about Attrition Guess they don't want to wait till next year. __________________

01-21-2013, 03:02 PM	#15
eatlighting 1st Team All-SEC Male Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Savannah River Valley Posts: 4,447 CockyCash: 1000000	Re: Question about Attrition We will continue to have these head scratching moments until: A) We finally win some big ones. 11-2 seasons don't hurt, but in the grand scheme of things, we need some serious hardware to make believers. B) We get a head coach who blows A LOT of smoke up the respective butts of players and coaches alike. You will never hear HBC talking about our program "standing in the doorway to greatness" unless he's talking about another program's success. He doesn't do things that way, and he's not going to start. I'm not saying I want him to do that, but when you're a player looking to go to the next level or a coach looking to win a big one, it takes a lot of faith to keep coming back for what may be another non-championship season. Even though some of those same smoke-blowers aren't doing anything special either, they just sell the idea. Spurrier will never do that. C) We end up with both somehow. Even then, though, a lot of the great programs out there still have this happen. People are constantly head hunting the elite schools. You don't hear about it or see major negative effects though because those elite schools can just reload at will with players and coaches. We won't be that way until we accomplish letter A above a couple of times.

01-21-2013, 06:09 PM	#17
ssladler 4-Star Male Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Clemson Posts: 278 CockyCash: 934	Re: Question about Attrition Dude.. you have no idea how many of our coaches have not "left at the first opportunity". You really only hear about accepted opportunities, not all the opportunities that were turned down. Whammy said it today: Lawing's pretty much had an open invite to move to Bama, and he has repeatedly turned it down.

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