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Old 01-28-2013, 09:29 AM   #1
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I wonder if anyone has any information on score equivalents across sports. I tried googling it and found nothing...or either did a poor job.

IOW, what is the equivalent of a FG in other sports like hockey, soccer, etc. It would be interesting to see.

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IMO, a field goal or TD can't equate to anything in single point scoring games, like soccer or hockey. You could say a goal in hockey is like a goal in soccer, but I don't see how a goal in soccer could compare to a field goal AND a TD.

You might be better off trying to equate just the single point scoring sports like soccer, hockey, and baseball. Then you could at least make an argument for basketball and Football together (b/c they're multiple point scoring sports.)
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IMO, a field goal or TD can't equate to anything in single point scoring games, like soccer or hockey. You could say a goal in hockey is like a goal in soccer, but I don't see how a goal in soccer could compare to a field goal AND a TD.

You might be better off trying to equate just the single point scoring sports like soccer, hockey, and baseball. Then you could at least make an argument for basketball and Football together (b/c they're multiple point scoring sports.)
With baseball, you can gain 4 runs in one shot. That is why I was wondering.
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With baseball, you can gain 4 runs in one shot. That is why I was wondering.
Not exactly.

You'd require several base hits, or walks, in order to get to the point of that 'one shot'

In other words, several shots for the 'one shot' to score 4 runs.
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I wonder if anyone has any information on score equivalents across sports. I tried googling it and found nothing...or either did a poor job.

IOW, what is the equivalent of a FG in other sports like hockey, soccer, etc. It would be interesting to see.

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If nobody has done it already it would take a lot more work than any of us want to put in to figure it out. You would have to take all the scores from every game in a particular league over the last 10 years or so, average them together, then compare the averages.

Lets say you found that on average, winning NFL football teams score 34 points, while losing teams score 17, while winning MLS soccer teams score 2 goals and losing soccer teams score 1. You could then say a goal in soccer was worth 17 points in football.

You may have already known that, I just felt like talking.
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The difficulty with this is the methods of scoring and how much can be scored at one time.

For example, in football there are many scoring methods w/ add ons (a touchdown, field goal, PAT, 2 point conversion, safety, fair catch drop kick, etc). In soccer, there is only one method: score a goal. Same with hockey.

In baseball, there is only one scoring instance- touching home plate. However, you could go deeper and look at the scoring methods...anywhere from 1 to 4 runs on a given event.

Basketball, there are baskets that count for 1, 2 and 3 points.
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Not exactly.

You'd require several base hits, or walks, in order to get to the point of that 'one shot'

In other words, several shots for the 'one shot' to score 4 runs.
Of course, but my point is you can leave the bases loaded and no runs. So, with one swing of a bat, a game can change dramatically in baseball. Sure, everything leads up to it, but it is still one swing of the bat...perfect storm situation
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If nobody has done it already it would take a lot more work than any of us want to put in to figure it out. You would have to take all the scores from every game in a particular league over the last 10 years or so, average them together, then compare the averages.

Lets say you found that on average, winning NFL football teams score 34 points, while losing teams score 17, while winning MLS soccer teams score 2 goals and losing soccer teams score 1. You could then say a goal in soccer was worth 17 points in football.

You may have already known that, I just felt like talking.
I appreciate the thought process. You are probably correct. Thanks
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The difficulty with this is the methods of scoring and how much can be scored at one time.

For example, in football there are many scoring methods w/ add ons (a touchdown, field goal, PAT, 2 point conversion, safety, fair catch drop kick, etc). In soccer, there is only one method: score a goal. Same with hockey.

In baseball, there is only one scoring instance- touching home plate. However, you could go deeper and look at the scoring methods...anywhere from 1 to 4 runs on a given event.

Basketball, there are baskets that count for 1, 2 and 3 points.
Right...I'm not sure it can be done. It would be interesting to see what someone could put together.
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Right...I'm not sure it can be done. It would be interesting to see what someone could put together.
If anybody knows of a place that has historical scores that can be easily copied and pasted into an excell spreadsheet I could probably figure it out with my idea in like a half an hour.
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If anybody knows of a place that has historical scores that can be easily copied and pasted into an excell spreadsheet I could probably figure it out with my idea in like a half an hour.
Understand that your idea would only give a running average estimate (that is also continuous in itself), as the figures you get would be dependent upon the timeframe of scores you took from each sport...which also gets tricky because some sports have been played longer.

Not only that, but 3 pointers haven't always existed in basketball and same for other sports (2 point conversion in NFL, etc etc).
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I was at a Stingrays hockey game Saturday night and saw 9 goals scored on Orlando. That's like giving up 70 in football.
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Just between baseball and football, I would think that scoring on a sacrifice would be like a field goal, knocking in a guy without an out would be like a touchdown, a 2-3 run homer is like a pick six, and a grand slam is like a special teams return.
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All of these averages are for 1 team, not both. All of these are from some time in the past 5 years as well

Average NFL points per game: 22.1
Average NBA points per game: 99.3
Average NHL goals per game: 2.8
Average MLB runs per game: 4.7
Average MLS goals per game: 1.4

So just going by this, 1 run in baseball = .29 soccer goals = .6 hockey goals = 21.1 basketball points = 4.7 football points

1 soccer goal = 2 hockey goals = 15.7 football points = 3.4 runs
1 TD and XP = 1.5 runs = 31.5 basketball points
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Understand that your idea would only give a running average estimate (that is also continuous in itself), as the figures you get would be dependent upon the timeframe of scores you took from each sport...which also gets tricky because some sports have been played longer.

Not only that, but 3 pointers haven't always existed in basketball and same for other sports (2 point conversion in NFL, etc etc).
I feel like doing the last decade would be pretty good. I don't know of any MAJOR rule changes in any sport in that time frame, and a decade seems like a pretty good time frame to keep up with the trends of the modern game. It isn't that weird today to have a football game where teams combine to score 100, but it used to be that 6-3 was a pretty normal score, so it would seem silly to factor in scores like that when valuing a touchdown in today's game.
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Just between baseball and football, I would think that scoring on a sacrifice would be like a field goal, knocking in a guy without an out would be like a touchdown, a 2-3 run homer is like a pick six, and a grand slam is like a special teams return.
So an RBI hit, 2 run homer, 3 run homer, and grand slam are all equivalent to a touchdown? Can't buy in on that philosophy.
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So an RBI hit, 2 run homer, 3 run homer, and grand slam are all equivalent to a touchdown? Can't buy in on that philosophy.
Right, but they're different KINDS of touchdown that leads to a different momentum for the game.
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Right, but they're different KINDS of touchdown that leads to a different momentum for the game.
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I mean, it's kind of a weird question to begin with, so any answer is going to have at least the same level of dumb.
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