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Old 12-09-2013, 05:50 PM   #1
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Default Running Game -- Why Can't We Go Wide?

For the most part, I love our running game, but we seem to completely avoid any concept of a true sweep and only occasionally are using the jet sweep which is so fashionable.

We rarely pull off a reverse successfully, even when we can use Damiere. True sweeps? It seems our convoy of blockers takes too long to get there.

Against Clemson, we had to use Connor and Pharoh to go wide, yet Mike Davis and Shon Carson are plenty fast, and last time I checked, Damiere is in the top five speed burners in the nation.

So...

When another team jams us, why don't we utilize more options to take it wide and spread the defense out?

Seriously, my concern is that contrary to popular belief, we don't block along the edges as well as some other teams. I also am not confident in our downfield blocking.

I just felt that for more than two quarters against Clemson we were banging our head against a wall, running Mike into the backs of our linemen.

I'll hang up and listen...
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Old 12-09-2013, 06:03 PM   #2
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Default Re: Running Game -- Why Can't We Go Wide?

I just want to piggy back a question of mine. Why don't we do hurry-up offense? Furthermore, why do we do the exact opposite of hurry-up and wait until the very last second to snap the ball?
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Default Re: Running Game -- Why Can't We Go Wide?

Because is doesn't really ever work. SEC defenses are way too fast.
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Because is doesn't really ever work. SEC defenses are way too fast.
Tell that to mizzou and auburn
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Old 12-09-2013, 06:15 PM   #5
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Default Re: Running Game -- Why Can't We Go Wide?

im not saying it should be the staple of our running game, but id like to see us do the shotgun sweep with the two pulling lineman a la what we do with cooper in the wildcat as a change up.
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Tell that to mizzou and auburn
Darn. You beat me to it!
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Default Re: Running Game -- Why Can't We Go Wide?

1) We have speed at running back but we may not have enough speed along the offensive line.

2) I also feel that our players frequently don't "finish out plays", meaning that they don't sustain blocks or seek out someone to block as the running backs head past the line, especially on any plays out wide, including sideline passes.

3) Connor's runs have been straight lines for the most part in order to keep him healthy. Really would have loved for Connor to have stayed healthy enough that he would feel comfortable juking and taking it to the house.

4) We are so zone-read happy that we are used to running everything off the tailback's belly. Connor has great hands and could make tremendous pitches to a streaking Davis going wide... but we have to seal the end.

5) Some of our receivers (won't name names) don't block worth a hoot.
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I want the Auburn running game for Christmas.
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Tell that to mizzou and auburn
You mean, "tell that to Mizzou and Auburn as their players go streaking by you."
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I want the Auburn running game for Christmas.
Tre Mason is a beast, but Clemson (of all people) has found something special in McDowell.

Thank God Chad Morris' ego wouldn't let him commit to the ground game against us!

And Dabo? Well, bless his heart, he just decided to let Chad run the show (like he always does).

McDowell was gashing us and their line was creating massive lanes, but Chad and Dabo were afraid Dropkins would get his feelings hurt if they didn't throw all the time.
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I just want to piggy back a question of mine. Why don't we do hurry-up offense? Furthermore, why do we do the exact opposite of hurry-up and wait until the very last second to snap the ball?
South Carolina runs the "slow it down" offense.

Don't know why, but at least it works.

I'll take that... when I consider how few penalties we create now compared to a few years ago. Four or five seasons ago, if the Gamecocks had a great play, you would count "One Mississippi, Two Mississippi" to see if a flag was already in the air. In those days, we were pretty skilled at shooting ourselves in the foot.

Dabo has taken that approach and woven it into his playbook!
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Old 12-09-2013, 06:44 PM   #13
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Tell that to mizzou and auburn
No, he is actually right for the most part.

The "sweep" had basically died as a primary play in a run offense...it is just mixed in occasionally now to mix it up rather than a focus. Defenses are just a lot faster these days.

An off tackle at most with inside runs and misdirection...aka playing assignments and gaps is where the meat of your run game will succeed.
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+1...and dont tell me its because their OL is so good. Sure, they're good, but they're young and inexperienced. The difference is the play calling and coaching. We're so damn stubborn with the zone read and don't get creative other than the Wildcat (which I wouldnt consider creative anymore). Why don't we work in more option or pitches? Why don't we mix in a power I set every no and then? Why don't we use the pistol more often? A power I out of the shotgun with 2 backs and 2 TEs would give us an unbelieveable amount of options. Instead, we run a mostly vanilla offense.

EDIT...I'm happy with the season but I think we're not reaching our potential and I'm worried our team and most of all, the coaches, will become complacent with our offensive production. And to be fair, I just ****ing hate the zone read as a primary offensive scheme.
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Because our running game scheme is bad.
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Where has the toss sweep gone in College Football???
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Because our running game scheme is bad.
Definitely need something to offset everyone crashing the zone plays and jamming the LOS. That slot guy coming accross the backside gives the LBs something to think about and there are a number of teams dropping back into a pass after faking a zone type hand off....play action out of the zone plays.

Still wish we had an Alshon/Sidney type WR that we could throw deep to without it being a risky play.
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For the most part, I love our running game, but we seem to completely avoid any concept of a true sweep and only occasionally are using the jet sweep which is so fashionable.

We rarely pull off a reverse successfully, even when we can use Damiere. True sweeps? It seems our convoy of blockers takes to long to get there.

Against Clemson, we had to use Connor and Pharoh to go wide, yet Mike Davis and Shon Carson are plenty fast, and last time I checked, Damiere is in the top five speed burners in the nation.

So...

When another team jams us, why don't we utilize more options to take it wide and spread the defense out?

I'll hang up and listen...

Seriously, my concern is that contrary to popular belief, we don't block along the edges as well as some other teams. I also am not confident in our downfield blocking.

I just felt that for more than two quarters against Clemson we were banging our head against a wall, running Mike into the backs of our linemen.
First, kudos for starting a great thread. You ask a really good question.

To get wide, a offense must force an opposing team to defend the middle. Believe it or not, Tre Mason does, on occasion, run into the back of his O linemen. But who has time to notice it? Auburn is back running the ball seconds later, usually up the middle again. Defensive must stop that dive play. And stop it again...and again...and again...and then....BAM!...Auburn hits 'em with a sweep!

We need more rushing attempts. Specifically, we need more rushing attempts up the gut to force teams to defend the middle. And to Spurrier's credit, he did exactly that against Clemson. The best game he called all season. We had 50 rushing attempts, many of them into the heart of the Clemson D, which opened up the outside for Shaw and Cooper.

I'm optimistic that Coach is evolving. He's not stubbornly attempting to run an antiquated "Fun 'n Gun" offense. I'm looking forward to the bowl game to see, with a month to prepare, the continued inventiveness in his playcalling, in particular what he does with the talents of Pharoh Cooper.
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Because is doesn't really ever work. SEC defenses are way too fast.
And going up the middle works so well for us.
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The speed option was run a few times a game earlier in the season. I think it worked once. I do remember getting stuffed on the goal line trying it as well. I believe that was the UGa game.
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