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Old 08-16-2014, 12:13 PM   #1
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Default A&M, ECar, UGA up-tempo challenge

Hope you find this interesting and would appreciate your thoughts!

The following excerpts are from a review of TEAM X' approach to defending against the hurry-up/no-huddle.

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How TEAM X' defense works, and how it stops up-tempo offenses


conservative aggression

In most of these coverages, the safeties have an active role in run support, which means that they need to be rangy and good tacklers. The cornerbacks need to be able to hold along the sideline without help. However, the safeties rely on reads of the receivers, not linemen, before flying down to stop the run, which makes them less vulnerable to play-action than you might suppose and maintains a conservative defensive shell.

Overall, the HUMAN BEINGS are always looking for ways to be aggressive from a safe position.



on-field leadership

The main reason that the front six players of the defense can consistently expect to defend the interior six gaps is because the front six and the five defensive backs are independent of each other.

What's more, the coverages are split as well.
-The front gets one call, which could be a stunt or a base call, and the defensive backs don't even need to know what it is.
-The free safety makes a coverage call for the trio of himself, the strong safety, and the field cornerback.
-The weak safety makes a call for himself and the boundary cornerback.

TEAM X is able to get younger players involved sooner than later due to the fractured nature of the system. It can teach them individual roles before eventually graduating them to oversight positions or teaching them multiple positions on the team.

When a hurry-up/no huddle offense is racing down the field and switching up formations, TEAM X isn't terribly troubled. Its players can make the calls on the field while maintaining the appearance of complexity.


Creative recruiting

While the true genius of the TEAM X system is in the fragmented approach to play calls and organization, the way they find the players to make it work is fascinating as well.

In true Miami 4-3 defense fashion, the HUMAN BEINGS are looking to put as much speed on the field as possible. They adhere to a "shrink the field" philosophy of finding personnel. They recruit with the main purpose of locating speedy athletes with potential, rather than finished products with years of experience at a particular position.
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I understand that there are differences between spread, up tempo and hurry-up/no-huddle.
Malzahn's scheme is not spread, for example, but all of the above styles place an emphasis on scoring quickly.
I hope we never run this style of offense, but especially because of the "shootout" theory.
The paradox of up-tempo's belief that it wears down opposing defenses is that it also wears down its own.
I also believe the psychological impact on your own defense is very real.
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Why do some top spread teams struggle on defense?

Across college football, there are various explanations offered for the wide variance between the offensive and defensive rankings of some spread teams. For every defensive coach who sees it one way, an offensive coach thinks just the opposite.

The preparation theory

San Diego State coach Rocky Long is a defensive specialist. To him, it's about preparation. If a defense is constantly going up against a spread offense in practice, Long believes it won't be equipped to face more conventional offenses in games -- especially opponents that run more of a power running game.

The 'shootout' theory

Many spread teams play without a huddle and use little time to score. That can force their defense to be on the field for more plays, wearing them down and leaving them vulnerable as the game goes on.

The culture theory

Many offensive-minded head coaches today are strategists who tend to bury their noses in playbooks and game film. They moved up the career ladder because of their X's and O's on offense – not because they know much about the toughness required to build an aggressive defense. This can create a culture in which scoring points and finesse define the team more than smacking the other team in the mouth.

The personnel theory

Some offensive-minded head coaches also favor offense in recruiting players. In his first recruiting class at Michigan in February 2008, Rich Rodriguez signed 24 players -- 15 on offense. He later recruited more heavily on defense but was fired after the 2010 season, when his team ranked eighth in the country in total offense but 110th in defense.
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The following stats, from my Lindy's magazine:

Texas A&M


2011
Offense Rank - 7
Defense Rank - 59

2012
Offense 3
Defense 57

2013
Offense 4
Defense 109
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Georgia, see a trend?:

2011
Offense 39
Defense 5

2012
Offense 22
Defense 32

2013
Offense 17
Defense 45
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Auburn, '11 and '12 N/A:

2011
Offense 100
Defense 81

2012
Offense 115
Defense 79


2013 (Gus Malzahn)
Offense 11
Defense 86
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South Carolina, trending solid balance?:

2011
Offense 74
Defense 3

2012
Offense 82
Defense 11

2013
Offense 36
Defense 19
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:25 PM   #2
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Same TCU that went 4-8 last year with losses to almost every uptempo team they played? Yeah hope that strategy works for you because it wasn't too good for them...
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Ya forget TCU. Who are they and what have they done? I'll continue to trust our coaching staff and believe they know how to and will implement plans to counter the different offenses we face.
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Default Re: A&M, ECar, UGA up-tempo challenge

Another reason they struggle on D is just that uptempo either scores fast or turns it over fast. That means less rest for the defense.
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Default Re: A&M, ECar, UGA up-tempo challenge

Playing an uptempo team early in the year, to me, is more favorable than playing them later in the season. Let's see if anyone else agrees with my crazy logic.

Right now Carolina has a goo amount of depth. But a lot of it is unproven. We don't really know who the best guys at each position are. Because of that, I think we will see Ward subbing a lot more and a lot of different guys getting PT. I think it will keep everyone fresher and in the 4th quarter the guys who are playing the best will still have enough gas in the tank to carry us down the stretch.

Offensively I think we also have some advantages early in the year. We have a plethora of talented running backs and what appears to be a very good O-line. Unfortunately, we are once again replacing out #1 receiver plus our QB. I believe Dylan will have a great year and that SOS is going to throw the ball around a lot more than we did last year. But I don't think he is going to start dialing up 50+ pass plays right away. The first few games we'll still be figuring out who our best receivers are. That's going to me a lot more carries for our talented backs and a significant disparity in time of possession. Which should result in fewer plays for these uptempo guys and a rested defense.
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The only thing about these uptempo teams is we can't have turnovers early in the game and get 10 or 14 points behind in the first quarter.
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Ya forget TCU. Who are they and what have they done? I'll continue to trust our coaching staff and believe they know how to and will implement plans to counter the different offenses we face.
It's an interesting timeline:

In the 90's, Virginia Tech used the famed Wide Tackle 6 defense that Frank Beamer brought from his days working with Bobby Ross on his staff at The Citadel. In the early to mid 1990s it was a 4-4 defensive front that put Beamer and VT on the national map. The DC at the time under Beamer was Phil Elmassian, and his LB position coach was a man named Bud Foster...

Foster would succeed Elmassian as VT's DC, and continued the 4-4 base scheme into the early 2000s, but found the proliferation of spread passing offenses were finding weaknesses in his box-heavy defensive scheme: Rich Rodriguez at WVU became a Big East conference threat, and VT would get violated by FSU in the 2002 Gator Bowl, and couldn't stop Aaron Rodgers and California in the 2003 Insight Bowl.

Foster would scrap the 4-4, by moving the Rover LB into a traditional Strong Safety, and the Whip LB into a hybrid LB/safety/nickel corner role. All the Tecmo Bowl stats of backfield pressure like sacks and TFL that made VT's defenses during that time well-known diminished, while INTs and pass breakups increased. By many accounts, Foster used TCU's Gary Patterson's 4-2-5 scheme as a template for the change...

During this transition of defense, Beamer and Foster had a secondary position coach by the name of Lorenzo Ward. Ward came to USC very knowledgeable in the 4-2-5 scheme, and helped Ellis Johnson in deploying the scheme as USC's base defense under Spurrier....


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Default Re: A&M, ECar, UGA up-tempo challenge

Now having posted what I posted above, and keeping the context of the OP's posts in mind, I remember 2 things:

1) in past games against opponents such as East Carolina - our Game #2 opponent - Coach Ward essentially abandoned the idea of applying edge pressure towards the QB, as Coach Ruffian's offense was such that the ball would be gone well before our DEs had a chance to impact the play;

2) early during fall camp, Coach Ward basically stated that we'd mostly likely use the new 3-4 base scheme against our 1st 2 opponents - Texas A&M and ECU.

I imagine that we're basically trading an edge-rushing DE or run-blocking DT - which wouldn't have much success pressuring the QB anyways, or stopping the run in a pass-heavy offense - with an additional LB that could provide a rush to a degree or assist against the run but would also be better at dropping back into coverage than a 260+ DL would be, if needed for those dump-off passes and quick out-passes to the sidelines that we'll see a ton of from the Aggies and Pirates...
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Aggie fan here...

A&M ran an up-tempo offense in their first year, but not last year. They just ran a "no huddle" offense last year and called plays from the booth. The offense ran 10-15 plays less per game last year, which may have contributed to the losses to MIZZOU, Bama, and Auburn teams by less than a TD too. Team fired offense coordinator before the Bowl game and installed new offense against Duke. Offense stalled on the first three possessions, but they still managed to score 45 offensive points and amass 541 yards (both above season avg.) during bowl game. Think this offensive system will still be very good and this team is being overlooked this season. For all the talk about bad defense...you got to score to win. A&M is a 10.5 pt underdog, but they have only lost 2 games by double digits over the last 3 years and weather played a factor in both games.
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A&M ran an up-tempo offense in their first year, but not last year. They just ran a "no huddle" offense last year and called plays from the booth. The offense ran 10-15 plays less per game last year, which may have contributed to the losses to MIZZOU, Bama, and Auburn teams by less than a TD too. Team fired offense coordinator before the Bowl game and installed new offense against Duke. Offense stalled on the first three possessions, but they still managed to score 45 offensive points and amass 541 yards (both above season avg.) during bowl game. Think this offensive system will still be very good and this team is being overlooked this season. For all the talk about bad defense...you got to score to win. A&M is a 10.5 pt underdog, but they have only lost 2 games by double digits over the last 3 years and weather played a factor in both games.
Were they playing in different weather than the opponents?
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Same TCU that went 4-8 last year with losses to almost every uptempo team they played? Yeah hope that strategy works for you because it wasn't too good for them...
TCU jumping from the Mtn West to the Big12 ain't a decent measuring stick here...
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I don't think the formation or style is really that big of a factor. It's players making plays and JF is gone. Their new QB is going to be key along with the question of which team runs the ball better and can keep the other defense off balance.

They last 3 or 4 years we opened the season with spread team that threw quick passes and all of their fans came on here saying this "our offensive scheme alone will put up points" yeah...not so much. It got them first downs but that was mostly all it did.
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