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Old 08-29-2014, 11:41 AM   #1
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Default Confused fan here. Why is SOS ticked about D?

He's been in all the practices and film sessions, right? Was last night the first he was learning of our new defensive scheme? I love the OBC, but don't call out your defensive coaches when you knew all along what was going on. I find it impossible to believe the D we saw last night could have looked good in practice. The only explanation I can think of is that we're so bad on both sides of the ball that we actually looked good as a team in practice.
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Default Re: Confused fan here. Why is SOS ticked about D?

You don't know how good or bad you really are until the live ammo starts.
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You don't know how good or bad you really are until the live ammo starts.
There had to be some indication that the D was THAT BAD though. It's not like they were just slightly worse than everyone thought.
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He's been in all the practices and film sessions, right? Was last night the first he was learning of our new defensive scheme? I love the OBC, but don't call out your defensive coaches when you knew all along what was going on. I find it impossible to believe the D we saw last night could have looked good in practice. The only explanation I can think of is that we're so bad on both sides of the ball that we actually looked good as a team in practice.
He knows the personel situation, but he doesn't sit in on them during film, and he doesn't micro manage them during individual. A head coach should be comfortable leaving his coaches to prepare their players without watching over every move. Ward and the defensive staff did a horrible job coaching these guys up for this game, however young they maybe. A&M figured the defense out quickly, and if they made adjustments on the USC defense, it was hard to find because Hill kept abusing the left side and middle of the field.
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There had to be some indication that the D was THAT BAD though. It's not like they were just slightly worse than everyone thought.
This.

Yes, if we just weren't quite as good as they thought, that's one thing. But this was, statistically speaking, one of the worst defensive efforts in our history. And they didn't see it coming at all??
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Default Re: Confused fan here. Why is SOS ticked about D?

The same reason he was pissed at John Thompson's stand up defense.

He was shocked, shocked to see us playing a stand up defense, and had to promote Nix to full DC to fix that.
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He knows the personel situation, but he doesn't sit in on them during film, and he doesn't micro manage them during individual. A head coach should be comfortable leaving his coaches to prepare their players without watching over every move. Ward and the defensive staff did a horrible job coaching these guys up for this game, however young they maybe. A&M figured the defense out quickly, and if they made adjustments on the USC defense, it was hard to find because Hill kept abusing the left side and middle of the field.
I sort of get your point, but still there's the practices. Doesn't the 1st team offense go against the 1st team defense? Did he not see anything there? If our offense made our D look good in practice, then what does that say about our offense?
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This.

Yes, if we just weren't quite as good as they thought, that's one thing. But this was, statistically speaking, one of the worst defensive efforts in our history. And they didn't see it coming at all??
not one of, THE worst defensive game in SC history. I can handle losing a close game, but to get completely pwned on every play on defense- that's not supposed to be something that blindsides you. I think TAMU only had like 5 negative yard plays all game.
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There had to be some indication that the D was THAT BAD though. It's not like they were just slightly worse than everyone thought.
I honestly think even Spurrier was shocked at how the D played last night.

Just like the A&M coach was probably shocked at how well his QB played.

Remember Vegas had us as 10.5 pt favorites.
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Default Re: Confused fan here. Why is SOS ticked about D?

And I don't give A&M any credit for it. Our D was simply non-existent. It wasn't some great game plan they had. I don't take away from the outcome...they raped us. But they didn't have to work for anything. Seemingly every pass was a big gainer, first down yardage pass.
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I honestly think even Spurrier was shocked at how the D played last night.

Just like the A&M coach was probably shocked at how well his QB played.

Remember Vegas had us as 10.5 pt favorites.
But that again begs the question: what was going on in practice? If they looked decent in practice, then that means our offense sucks just as much.
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I sort of get your point, but still there's the practices. Doesn't the 1st team offense go against the 1st team defense? Did he not see anything there? If our offense made our D look good in practice, then what does that say about our offense?
Exactly! I think about the scrimmage where our running game was shut down. Holy crap that demonstrates to me that our offensive line has major issues.

I'm as down on this group as anyone (predicted 5-7 in another thread) but I won't discount passion and the will to win.

If they scrap the 3-4 (for the most part) and can somehow find the best 11 on defense (I didn't see much for any of them to give me hope), and the best offensive line rotation, then I think we can make some strides and maybe have a decent recovery.

Lot of "IFs"!
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He's been in all the practices and film sessions, right? Was last night the first he was learning of our new defensive scheme? I love the OBC, but don't call out your defensive coaches when you knew all along what was going on. I find it impossible to believe the D we saw last night could have looked good in practice. The only explanation I can think of is that we're so bad on both sides of the ball that we actually looked good as a team in practice.

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Cause you're no fan...just a Clempson troll! Get out of here!
Shut up. Being critical of your own team is essential. Being a sunshine pumper helps no one.
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And I don't give A&M any credit for it. Our D was simply non-existent. It wasn't some great game plan they had. I don't take away from the outcome...they raped us. But they didn't have to work for anything. Seemingly every pass was a big gainer, first down yardage pass.
Give me a break, Kenny Hill was money all night. The box score says he had 16 incompletions, but I don't recall more than a couple of actual bad throws by him on the few occasions we managed to bring pressure. We played bad, but aTm looked like a team on a mission.
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But that again begs the question: what was going on in practice? If they looked decent in practice, then that means our offense sucks just as much.
Good question. Just guessing, but I assume Spurrier knew we had some weak spots on D, but Ward probably assured him they would be okay. But I doubt SOS thought it was as bad as what we saw last night.
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Default Re: Confused fan here. Why is SOS ticked about D?

Something needs to be pointed out that I dont think anyone has mentioned yet. That was possibly the best offensive line we will see all year and possibly in the last 2-3 years. They have 3 first rounders starting on that line. We wont see anything like that again.
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I honestly think even Spurrier was shocked at how the D played last night.

Just like the A&M coach was probably shocked at how well his QB played.

Remember Vegas had us as 10.5 pt favorites.
Vegas didn't know that A&M's offense would be playing against 11 traffic cones.
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Default Re: Confused fan here. Why is SOS ticked about D?

Given what I know (I played college football) and what USC has player wise...all I needed to hear was this 3-4 crap they put it months ago.
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Traffic cones? You thought we played that good?
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