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Old 10-08-2018, 06:21 PM   #21
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I think there it's too easily argued that they simply overthrew and it sailed over someone's head.
When you throw the ball in the stands behind the endzone? Most stadiums there is at least 15 yards behind the end line and the stands
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Doesn't there have to be intent? It is intentional grounding, not accidental grounding.
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That's opening up a whole new can of worms if we try to guess what the intent of people is. It's not the actual intent, but the result of the play that matters.

I mean players get ejected all the time for targeting when all they were intending to do was tackle the other guy.
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There is a receiver in the area. It's a judgement call.
So you think a ball thrown into the stands of the endzoen is catchable?
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So you think a ball thrown into the stands of the endzoen is catchable?
It doesn't have to be catchable as long as the receiver is in the area. Think about how QBs sometimes ground the ball right at an intended receiver's feet during screen plays. Actually, I think Scarnecchia did that once on Saturday. There was no flag simply because the receiver was right there even though the QB was DEFINITELY just trying to avoid taking a loss.
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Did anyone else see the flag thrown on the first punt that was blocked and recovered by Missouri?

Flag was thrown by an official on the home sideline and you could clearly see it arch through the tv shot (both real time and in the replay). No mention whatsoever by any official or announcer after thrown. There appeared to be a defender lined up in the neutral zone on that punt formation.

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the announcers mentioned it was an illegal formation call
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It doesn't have to be catchable as long as the receiver is in the area. Think about how QBs sometimes ground the ball right at an intended receiver's feet during screen plays. Actually, I think Scarnecchia did that once on Saturday. There was no flag simply because the receiver was right there even though the QB was DEFINITELY just trying to avoid taking a loss.
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So you think a ball thrown into the stands of the endzoen is catchable?
It's about intent. And it's a judgement call. Someone is flushing the QB or if they pocket and he is throwing in the run and tosses the ball toward the receiver. It can go over his head... Was that grounding? Like I said, is a judgement call.
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It's about intent. And it's a judgement call. Someone is flushing the QB or if they pocket and he is throwing in the run and tosses the ball toward the receiver. It can go over his head... Was that grounding? Like I said, is a judgement call.
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the ball that scar threw was way out of bounds...never could have been caught in bounds...I honestly think that it was not thrown so far that the flag would have been picked up as it appeared to be a throw away
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There is a receiver in the area. It's a judgement call.
Yeah, like the majority of calls in American Football. If there is one thing I hate about American Football it is the constant stoppage of play due to flags, particularly when it doesn't affect the play.
I think this very thing happened in the VT/ND game the other night. Ineligible receiver called on the other side of the field, where it had absolutely no bearing on the play.
The refs need to simply run the game and make sure there are no dirty hits. Call the obvious stuff, but, other than that, let them play.
It's getting sickening for fans calling for flags every play by the other team.
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Yea they were. And what about the grounding call? Am I crazy or has there ever been a grounding call when the qb and wr got mixed up on the route?
Saying there was a route mix up is a common excuse to refs when grounding is called. Only the offense knows if it was a mix up or not, as the refs are going off what they see on the field. Just an unfortunate call there, they’ve been reversed in our favor before. More times than not it’s smarter to roll out the pocket when you throw the ball away, but it was one of those plays it happened that way.

Regardless, officiating this year has been at an all time worst in college and the pros and I’m not sure what’s causing it.
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Yeah, like the majority of calls in American Football. If there is one thing I hate about American Football it is the constant stoppage of play due to flags, particularly when it doesn't affect the play.
I think this very thing happened in the VT/ND game the other night. Ineligible receiver called on the other side of the field, where it had absolutely no bearing on the play.
The refs need to simply run the game and make sure there are no dirty hits. Call the obvious stuff, but, other than that, let them play.
It's getting sickening for fans calling for flags every play by the other team.
I cannot take a person seriously that needs to qualify football with the term American on a college football message board. Do you really think someone might mistake your commentary to be about futbol or Australian Rules Football or are you narcissisticaly signaling your worldliness? smh
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I cannot take a person seriously that needs to qualify football with the term American on a college football message board. Do you really think someone might mistake your commentary to be about futbol or Australian Rules Football or are you narcissisticaly signaling your worldliness? smh
On this board, you have to be very specific, I've learned. Actually, you can't be specific enough, as I've also learned. Of course, if you're too specific, trolls will detract from the conversation, and point that out, since they've got nothing better to do.

And, it's narcissistically, with two "l"s, and fútbol, with the accent mark on the first syllable, jerk.
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On this board, you have to be very specific, I've learned. Actually, you can't be specific enough, as I've also learned. Of course, if you're too specific, trolls will detract from the conversation, and point that out, since they've got nothing better to do.

And, it's narcissistically, with two "l"s, and fútbol, with the accent mark on the first syllable, jerk.


I agree with your general sentiment. I can't understand why you would call ticky-tack calls that are on the other side of the play and have no impact on the actual outcome.

There are far too many games that are influenced by the officials.
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On this board, you have to be very specific, I've learned. Actually, you can't be specific enough, as I've also learned. Of course, if you're too specific, trolls will detract from the conversation, and point that out, since they've got nothing better to do.

And, it's narcissistically, with two "l"s, and fútbol, with the accent mark on the first syllable, jerk.
I would like to apologize. I rarely, if ever, needlessly troll. I am usually optimistic in my posts. Not sure why I was so put off by your post, and after further examination, I should not have been.

While in no way is this meant to diminish my apology or mitigate my sin, the exclusion of the second "l" was clearly inexcusable on my part, but highlighting the exclusion of an accent was a bridge too far my friend.
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That's opening up a whole new can of worms if we try to guess what the intent of people is. It's not the actual intent, but the result of the play that matters.

I mean players get ejected all the time for targeting when all they were intending to do was tackle the other guy.
The part of intent that matters is the part about it being done in order to avoid a loss of yards. The officials can't use their judgment to determine whether a receiver should have been there (wrong route), but they can, should, and usually do use their judgment to determine whether a sack was imminent. If it was not, then no call should be made. I've definitely seen this called very poorly.

Unfortunately, I missed the play in question and only heard the radio guys complaining about it. Anyone got a link?
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The part of intent that matters is the part about it being done in order to avoid a loss of yards. The officials can't use their judgment to determine whether a receiver should have been there (wrong route), but they can, should, and usually do use their judgment to determine whether a sack was imminent. If it was not, then no call should be made. I've definitely seen this called very poorly.

Unfortunately, I missed the play in question and only heard the radio guys complaining about it. Anyone got a link?
This is the big part for me. He was not throwing it to avoid a sack. It was an option route which the QB usually throws before the WR makes his break, and it looked clear as day to be a miscommunication. At the time when they called it it was absolutely a huge call
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Yeah, like the majority of calls in American Football. If there is one thing I hate about American Football it is the constant stoppage of play due to flags, particularly when it doesn't affect the play.
I think this very thing happened in the VT/ND game the other night. Ineligible receiver called on the other side of the field, where it had absolutely no bearing on the play.
The refs need to simply run the game and make sure there are no dirty hits. Call the obvious stuff, but, other than that, let them play.
It's getting sickening for fans calling for flags every play by the other team.
It's ineligible downfield and it does matter. They could block a DB trying to make a play or cause more confusion by being more than the allotted amount of yardage past the of scrimmage.
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It's ineligible downfield and it does matter. They could block a DB trying to make a play or cause more confusion by being more than the allotted amount of yardage past the of scrimmage.
To be fair, tightening up that rule this year does seem to be leading to more calls for cases that probably should be inconsequential.
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