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Old 09-11-2017, 09:51 AM   #21
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First, those are auxillary markers and attempt to mirror the official line to gain chains on the visitor sidelines. Those are the ones the Head Linesman works with to spot the ball and set thr chains. Second, the side judge was in a perfect position to judge the goal line call. Third, the camera angle is diagonally behind and in front of the goal line, so it gives an appearance that the ball is further than it actually is. Personally, it was a good call from the side judge and the crew did a good job overall.

What are you an official that has to come on here and take up for those blind idiots.

How about the clearly dropped touchdown pass that had to be overturned at the end of the game? TWO refs were standing there.

Not having a measurement on that 4th down play is completely inept.

Yes the guy is standing there on the Williams Touchdown but at the very least the ball should be spotted at the 1 inch line not a full yard back.

THE BALL IS SPOTTED WHERE THE BALL IS WHEN THE PLAYER IS OUT OF BOUNDS NOT WHERE HIS FOOT LANDS. That's the default spot for $hitty refs who can't chew gum and walk that the same time.

That crew is indefensible.
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What are you an official that has to come on here and take up for those blind idiots.

How about the clearly dropped touchdown pass that had to be overturned at the end of the game? TWO refs were standing there.

Not having a measurement on that 4th down play is completely inept.

Yes the guy is standing there on the Williams Touchdown but at the very least the ball should be spotted at the 1 inch line not a full yard back.

THE BALL IS SPOTTED WHERE THE BALL IS WHEN THE PLAYER IS OUT OF BOUNDS NOT WHERE HIS FOOT LANDS. That's the default spot for $hitty refs who can't chew gum and walk that the same time.

That crew is indefensible.
Yeah...i know exactly how to spot a ball on a field and where it is supposed to be when a runner goes OOB.


Dang it...you got me. I made a profile 10 years ago in anticipation of this very thread. I do have some on field experience as a chain crew at williams-brice. The officials did a good job yesterday. the spectators always have the jumbo tron to make the call. 99% of the calls on the field are correct. Real time 5 feet from the action is a little different than armchairing it 1-2 days after the game.

Who has possession and who has the line in a pass? Do you know? Do you know which key each official has at the snap? What i am saying is it is easy to sit back and criticize from an uninformed perspective.

Officials make mistakes, but these guys didn't do anything in the game to cause it to be on their shoulders.
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the OP reads like some crazy conspiracy theory. oh boy.
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Watching from the stands I couldn't tell if Tyson crossed the goal line or not. What I would like to know is why didn't he lay out for the pylon? It would of been a easy touchdown. Usually a player of his caliber will have the instinct to lay out when it's going to be that close of a play.
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Yeah...i know exactly how to spot a ball on a field and where it is supposed to be when a runner goes OOB.


Dang it...you got me. I made a profile 10 years ago in anticipation of this very thread. I do have some on field experience as a chain crew at williams-brice. The officials did a good job yesterday. the spectators always have the jumbo tron to make the call. 99% of the calls on the field are correct. Real time 5 feet from the action is a little different than armchairing it 1-2 days after the game.

Who has possession and who has the line in a pass? Do you know? Do you know which key each official has at the snap? What i am saying is it is easy to sit back and criticize from an uninformed perspective.

Officials make mistakes, but these guys didn't do anything in the game to cause it to be on their shoulders.
I'm not into the refs trying to get us, and honestly the TD from Mizzou could've gone either way and we got the benefit of that.

And this time it didn't matter because of the score, but....

The fourth down I get. I personally don't think they should be able to review the spot of the ball on plays like that. If a runner is down or out of bounds and takes off, okay, but a scrum like that is best left to the field and not cameras. However, something that is that close should've been measured.

The TD is what bothers me. Correct me because it seems you have more officiating knowledge, but the ref at the pile on is just there to check the ball? I thought the other refs were to determine if a player is in or out of bounds? It'd been impossible for that one ref to spot the ball and when Williams went out of bounds. And what on replay was there not to overturn it?
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Don't know how that was messed up
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yeah the cap one bowl was bad but at least they measured it! This one looked like 1.5 yards short to me.
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yeah the cap one bowl was bad but at least they measured it! This one looked like 1.5 yards short to me.
Sorry, but that's the fan's sight coming in to play. It was extremely close, and he may have actually gotten the first down. The only definite error I saw on the play was them not measuring.
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I'm not into the refs trying to get us, and honestly the TD from Mizzou could've gone either way and we got the benefit of that.

And this time it didn't matter because of the score, but....

The fourth down I get. I personally don't think they should be able to review the spot of the ball on plays like that. If a runner is down or out of bounds and takes off, okay, but a scrum like that is best left to the field and not cameras. However, something that is that close should've been measured.

The TD is what bothers me. Correct me because it seems you have more officiating knowledge, but the ref at the pile on is just there to check the ball? I thought the other refs were to determine if a player is in or out of bounds? It'd been impossible for that one ref to spot the ball and when Williams went out of bounds. And what on replay was there not to overturn it?
In college, you have 8 officials, all with different keys during different types of plays and situations. With a scrum, it is very difficult to see where the foremost point of the ball is at the time a knee, leg, or part of the arm, other than the hand, is on the ground or when forward progress is stopped. The Head linesman and the Line Judge are supposed to help with that spot. The umpire may help as well. The philosophy is to see the ball as opposed to guessing. That is usually why the play is allowed to go a little longer with a scrum because you can't see the ball. Not to say it hasn't been messed up before. Mechanics usually dictate that the officials on the line run in to give a signal or spot. The spot is the downfield foot and the umpire places the foremost point of the ball on that spot.

On a pass play at the sideline, you have the H or the LJ to determine whether or not a foot is OOB or inbounds and the SJ or the FJ to determine if it is a catch or not.

The goal line play with Williams running...I was trying to see if there was a really good camera angle and I couldn't determine with what was shown. You have to default to the official who has that call. If the guy was out of position, then that is inexcusable with 8 officials unless it is some kind of scrum downfield and then a breakaway for 50 yds.

I think some people believe that officials are infallible (I don't), but I also know the intense training these guys go through (I am not a collegiate official but personally know several) and the rigorous test they must pass to be on a crew. Like I previously stated, 99% of the time, they get these calls correct on the field at the time. I like the replay aspect because it helps. The replay official makes that call. The white hat just announces the ruling. Remember that the ruling was that the call stands, which means not enough evidence to overturn it or to say that it was confirmed. I agree about the poor camera angles, but you have to go with what you have
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Rewatching the game and considering already how poor the officiating was in that game, I noticed this BS...

The play is over, and players are walking to their sidelines. While Bentley is heading towards his sideline from where he threw the ball near midfield. A Mizzou defensive lineman is walking back to his sideline, and he steps into Bentley's path, knocking him over. Jake falls down, obviously upset at the lack of sportsmanship, and the lineman just goes ahead and walks right over Bentley, clearly not caring or considering that he should be flagged for that. And the worst part is the freaking ref is standing right behind them and watches the whole thing happen. Not only this, but when Jake gets up and looks at the ref incredulously, the ref scowled and shakes his head, as if Bentley was just trying to get a first down out of it.

Honestly, if you don't call knocking a player over after play has ended and then walking over their body as a personal foul, you either don't deserve or know how to ref at all. That game was utterly embarrassing from an officiating standpoint, and the fact that he looked at Bentley and scowled is ridiculous. You can't be faking a personal foul if the player knocks you down and then proceeds to walk over you. Even if Bentley faked the fall, it's the definition of a personal foul.


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Rewatching the game and considering already how poor the officiating was in that game, I noticed this BS...

The play is over, and players are walking to their sidelines. While Bentley is heading towards his sideline from where he threw the ball near midfield. A Mizzou defensive lineman is walking back to his sideline, and he steps into Bentley's path, knocking him over. Jake falls down, obviously upset at the lack of sportsmanship, and the lineman just goes ahead and walks right over Bentley, clearly not caring or considering that he should be flagged for that. And the worst part is the freaking ref is standing right behind them and watches the whole thing happen. Not only this, but when Jake gets up and looks at the ref incredulously, the ref scowled and shakes his head, as if Bentley was just trying to get a first down out of it.

Honestly, if you don't call knocking a player over after play has ended and then walking over their body as a personal foul, you either don't deserve or know how to ref at all. That game was utterly embarrassing from an officiating standpoint, and the fact that he looked at Bentley and scowled is ridiculous. You can't be faking a personal foul if the player knocks you down and then proceeds to walk over you. Even if Bentley faked the fall, it's the definition of a personal foul.



Yep, I saw that during the game. I'd keep an eye out for that ref for the rest of the season. He might go all Wilbur Hackett and try to spear Bentley at the goal line...


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Rewatching the game and considering already how poor the officiating was in that game, I noticed this BS...

The play is over, and players are walking to their sidelines. While Bentley is heading towards his sideline from where he threw the ball near midfield. A Mizzou defensive lineman is walking back to his sideline, and he steps into Bentley's path, knocking him over. Jake falls down, obviously upset at the lack of sportsmanship, and the lineman just goes ahead and walks right over Bentley, clearly not caring or considering that he should be flagged for that. And the worst part is the freaking ref is standing right behind them and watches the whole thing happen. Not only this, but when Jake gets up and looks at the ref incredulously, the ref scowled and shakes his head, as if Bentley was just trying to get a first down out of it.

Honestly, if you don't call knocking a player over after play has ended and then walking over their body as a personal foul, you either don't deserve or know how to ref at all. That game was utterly embarrassing from an officiating standpoint, and the fact that he looked at Bentley and scowled is ridiculous. You can't be faking a personal foul if the player knocks you down and then proceeds to walk over you. Even if Bentley faked the fall, it's the definition of a personal foul.



It looked like Jake flopped to me. Didn't look hard enough of a bump to knock him down.
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It looked like Jake flopped to me. Didn't look hard enough of a bump to knock him down.
I agree, looked like he was flopping for a charge. I think that is exactly what the ref was thinking. Bad sportsmanship definitely. Unsportsmanlike Conduct, no.
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It looked like Jake flopped to me. Didn't look hard enough of a bump to knock him down.
He did that during the bowl game and got a call
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I agree that the Ty'Son Williams run should have been reviewed, but on the first down the poster literally put "approx." as to where he believes the first down marker is. That's the whole reason why we didn't challenge. Why would Muschamp waste a challenge on the hopes that an approximated angle will be the deciding factor?

Also, Jake flopped, but that guy clearly walked into him intentionally. It's not like the Mizzou guy was attempting to hurt Jake though. This stuff happens all the time.
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Yep, I saw that during the game. I'd keep an eye out for that ref for the rest of the season. He might go all Wilbur Hackett and try to spear Bentley at the goal line...


LOL that was hilarious, but horrible. Garcia shoulda' trucked him like a Florida linebacker.

I think Muschamp was smart not to challenge the TD. They had plenty of time to review it, just had shitty high school AV camera angles, and he knew we were all lathered up at that point as Hurst showed three Mizzou defenders on the following play.
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Don't know how that was messed up
It turned out Ok. One play later, all was right in the universe....
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It looked like Jake flopped to me. Didn't look hard enough of a bump to knock him down.
He did and I laughed about it. Can't blame the kid for trying.
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