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Old 09-11-2017, 02:20 PM   #1
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Default Illegal man down field

How was Hurst an illegal man down field? He is a tight end, tight ends are allowed downfield!! In the grand scheme of things it didn't matter, but it is still a unexplained call!!!


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Old 09-11-2017, 02:23 PM   #2
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How was Hurst an illegal man down field? He is a tight end, tight ends are allowed downfield!! In the grand scheme of things it didn't matter, but it is still a unexplained call!!!


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He was "covered up" by the wide receiver. So, even though he has an eligible number, he was ineligible on the play by virtue of how he lined up.
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Default Re: Illegal man down field

He was "covered up" by the WR. Meaning Hurst was lined up on the line of scrimmage while there was another player lined up further out that was also on the LOS. That would make Hurst ineligible as a receiver.
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The officiating was brutal on Saturday.
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He was "covered up" by the WR. Meaning Hurst was lined up on the line of scrimmage while there was another player lined up further out that was also on the LOS. That would make Hurst ineligible as a receiver.
It wasn't a bad call.
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Old 09-11-2017, 02:30 PM   #6
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On the call he was off the Los for him to be eligible he has to be on the Los.
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Old 09-11-2017, 02:35 PM   #7
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Default Re: Illegal man down field

He looked like he was lined up behind the tackle to me but how far must you be back to be legal ?
Also the confusion on the punt, they marked it on our 10 to begin with then changed it to touchback, I thought they got the call right but the kicking team must always stop the ball from entering the end zone, right ?
Those refs had me scratching my head a few times ..

And that 4th down play they give Mizzou looked short too imo
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Old 09-11-2017, 02:39 PM   #8
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He looked like he was lined up behind the tackle to me but how far must you be back to be legal ?
Also the confusion on the punt, they marked it on our 10 to begin with then changed it to touchback, I thought they got the call right but the kicking team must always stop the ball from entering the end zone, right ?
Those refs had me scratching my head a few times ..
Yeah, this is the one where I apparently don't know the rule. I guess that if after touching the ball at our 12 yard line had MO had recovered it prior to it going into the endzone, the ball would have been placed on the 12; however, since the ball continued on into the endzone without a full recovery, it was deemed a touch back? Is that correct?
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On the call he was off the Los for him to be eligible he has to be on the Los.
Not 100 accurate he just can't be covered up by the WR
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It was definitely the right call and a mental error by Edwards that cost us a first down.
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Old 09-11-2017, 02:57 PM   #11
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covered up by the WR ? You have two ends, any one in between must be off the los to be a legal receiver
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:01 PM   #12
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Yeah, this is the one where I apparently don't know the rule. I guess that if after touching the ball at our 12 yard line had MO had recovered it prior to it going into the endzone, the ball would have been placed on the 12; however, since the ball continued on into the endzone without a full recovery, it was deemed a touch back? Is that correct?
That's what I thought
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:20 PM   #13
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Yeah, this is the one where I apparently don't know the rule. I guess that if after touching the ball at our 12 yard line had MO had recovered it prior to it going into the endzone, the ball would have been placed on the 12; however, since the ball continued on into the endzone without a full recovery, it was deemed a touch back? Is that correct?
Essentially. It's downed where you first touch the ball, but can't roll into the endzone.
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That's what I thought
He batted the ball back towards the end zone which is illegal is what I thought the ref was saying
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Old 09-11-2017, 03:43 PM   #15
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He batted the ball back towards the end zone which is illegal is what I thought the ref was saying
It wasn't illegal, but they just didn't stop it before it reached the end zone. If they had controlled the ball by downing it, the ball would've been placed at the spot of the initial touch, which would've been the 12. By contrast, if they had inadvertently batted it forward, the ball would've been spotted at the point where they had downed it. The rule is in place to prevent the defense from trying to gain better field position.
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It was the correct call.
He was a TE, Yes, but he was split out wide and the receiver inside him was
in the slot (good there) the issue was that there was another WR lined up
outside him on the line of scrimmage (to his right) There was also another
WR on the opposite side of the formation on the line as well. The rules are
that you can only have 7 men on the line of scrimmage, and for a Receiver
to be eligible (TE, or WR) they have to be on the outside of the formation
with no other WR inside them and the last man of the interior line. When
you have another WR outside of you, you are considered by the rules an
offensive lineman and ineligible to get in the passing route.

It can get complicated according to the formations you use. He could have
stepped back a half yard as long as we didn't have another RB in the slot or
off the line on the other side and have been considered a part of the Backfield
and eligible to run routes. (basically a twin Slot receiver or H-back kind of
thing (like we used to run with Patrick DiMarco). If he was on the opposite
end of formation and at a TE spot, he could have split out and run routes as
long as we didn't put another WR outside him on that side of the field.
The guy outside him could have dropped off the line a half yard or so (as long
as we didn't have another RB in the backfield) and he would have been good to
go, but in this case, the refs got it right.
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Its not hard. The last guys on the line of scrimmage are the only eligible receivers. It does not matter what position. If a tackle is the last guy on the line of scrimmage on that side then he is an eligible receiver. Everybody else must be behind the line. Tackle may need to report
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Yeah, this is the one where I apparently don't know the rule. I guess that if after touching the ball at our 12 yard line had MO had recovered it prior to it going into the endzone, the ball would have been placed on the 12; however, since the ball continued on into the endzone without a full recovery, it was deemed a touch back? Is that correct?
If the kicking team wants to down the ball, then they must do that. Merely touching does not down the ball, so when it rolled into the end zone, it became a touchback.
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the refs definitely got it right but can someone tell me the purpose of the rule? i mean, who gives a rats ass if they are both lined up on the los. who cares if a tight end an two outside receivers are lined up on the los. why cant everyone just go out, its football.

it would seem debilitating to the offense with the way the rule is now. the defender just has to glance and see if the tight end is on or off the los to figure out if he is blocking or going out for the pass.
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that you can only have 7 men on the line of scrimmage

What rule states that you can ONLY have 7 on the LOS? You have to have at least 7, otherwise that is an illegal procedure call.

If Hurst was on the end but lined up off the LOS and a WR was on the line, then he is eligible. It doesn't matter if there is someone on the line that is right next to him or not.

The TE is eligible here because he is not covered up by the last man on the LOS since he is off the LOS.



There are 4 eligible receivers in this picture. If the inside receiver on the right goes downfield (more than the distance of the expanded neutral zone) and a pass crosses the LOS, it is ineligible downfield



In this play the snapper releases downfield to block before the pass is thrown. He is NOT an ineligible receiver downfield because the pass never crossed the LOS.

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