SEC Family

[ElectricCock]

Originally Posted by gamecockjay

fail?

yea... fail.

unless that was a pissed off ND fan that made that

[BlueHerons]

Originally Posted by trapper82

We are responsible for the success. Did the sec help, sure, especially in the money and recognition department the last few years. But we had good leadership that made good decisions, unlike the past. Spurrier himself said the UNC job was one he seriously considered, maybe the sec tipped him our way, maybe it was the yearly chance to tell fla f u, or maybe the challenge of winning where no one had. I fully recognize the sec has been beneficial in our ascent, but I have also given examples where they gave us the shaft to benefit the conference as a whole. Ignore them if you want, doesn't really bother me.

Spurrier took the job for TWO reasons:

1. We were in the SEC.

2. Hootie Johnson gave him a membership to Augusta National.

Spurrier never would have looked at us if we were in another conference. Don't kid yourself.

[igotmycockcloth]

Originally Posted by bigdawg77

You would have been in the Big East

and it would have sucked.

[brat]

SOS was not given a membership to Augusta National for taking the USC job. He has said that many times. Hootie Johnson has also denied it. Unless he has joined in the last year or two, he still is not a member. Nobody tells them who to make a member or much else what to do.

He also says he plays the course about once a year. All you need is an invitation from a member to do so.

My dad (decidely not famous or in a position of power) even played it once about 40 years ago via an invitation. He probably played well less than two dozen rounds of golf in his life and as a result of not playing or practicing, was a terrible golfer. Somehow, he did manage to birdie #12, the par 3 of Amen Corner.

[CockyMBA]

Originally Posted by trapper82

We are responsible for the success. Did the sec help, sure, especially in the money and recognition department the last few years. But we had good leadership that made good decisions, unlike the past. Spurrier himself said the UNC job was one he seriously considered, maybe the sec tipped him our way, maybe it was the yearly chance to tell fla f u, or maybe the challenge of winning where no one had. I fully recognize the sec has been beneficial in our ascent, but I have also given examples where they gave us the shaft to benefit the conference as a whole. Ignore them if you want, doesn't really bother me.

That good leadership (King Dixon) was back in 1992 that jumped on the offer to move us from independent to the SEC. I say all the time that was the beginning of the athletic renaissance of USC.

Bottom line, money talks and money has given us the ability to lay the foundation over the last couple of decades.

The jerk that Mike McGee was, he was still a well connected AD. One of the BEST in the business at the time. He presided over Southern Cal's athletic success in the 80s & 90s and we got him to come over to what was the challenge of making USC a contender. Revenue was less than $20M when came. It was almost $60M when he left. But he's not coming WITHOUT the money. Because he needed that money to hire the right people.

Curtis Frye in Track & Field, Ray Tanner in baseball, Holtz & Spurrier in football. Hell count Eddie Fogler & Dave Odom in men's basketball. Regardless of if they were washes or came at the pinnacle of their careers, something they all had was credibility. All had success and name recognition as being of the best in their sports. As an independent, who were the big name coaches we were able to bring over? Sparky Woods? Brad Scott? George Felton? Steve Newton?

Fact is we HAD to go after mid-major coaches or assistants to be our coaches. Coaches who lacked the pedigree or experience. But once we joined the SEC...which begat higher television packages...which begat more money to institutions due to equal revenue sharing, that changed.

The fruits are one of the newer/better basketball arenas in the conference, the best baseball stadium, improved football stadium/area and a new village for the Olympic sports. The athletes want to play in facilities like ours. The coaches know that is a recruiting tool and it makes them feel better because money is being spent on their program.

I live in Detroit, and I can watch my alma mater play more than I see the west coast USC. I watch EVERY football game and even get to see basketball & baseball. That was unheard of...even when I moved here in 2003. That's due to the SEC & the ESPN partnership. You know what being on TV can do for a brand and its perception, especially when you're winning big football games or national championships in another major sport.

So I think you're almost equating our move to the SEC as inconsequential to our current "Glory Years" were going through now.

I think the evidence says that our success is completely due to being a member institution of the SEC. Obviously, admin needs to continue to do the right things and coaches and athletes need to continue to perform.

I think every school in the SEC is thankful for the conference. Association has it's benefits and what better benefit than increasing your cash flow?

[BlueHerons]

Originally Posted by brat

SOS was not given a membership to Augusta National for taking the USC job. He has said that many times. Hootie Johnson has also denied it. Unless he has joined in the last year or two, he still is not a member. Nobody tells them who to make a member or much else what to do.

He also says he plays the course about once a year. All you need is an invitation from a member to do so.

My dad (decidely not famous or in a position of power) even played it once about 40 years ago via an invitation. He probably played well less than two dozen rounds of golf in his life and as a result of not playing or practicing, was a terrible golfer. Somehow, he did manage to birdie #12, the par 3 of Amen Corner.

Spurrier is on Augusta National all the time. My best friend's husband roomed with the head pro there in college and are still close friends. My facebook profile all season was me and Spurrier taken at Augusta National.

While Spurrier may not be a card carrying member, he plays there whenever he wants and it's often.

[ELCID14]

Originally Posted by SCMunnerlyn1

I will never.EVER. consider the SEC a family. Will never root for the likes of Bama,LSU,Auburn,UGA,or Florida for anything..EVER. This whole concept of this conference being a family is just dumb. I cannot tell you how many people on facebook I wanted to slap just for saying go SEC.

SO, that's your right.......keep it moving!

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by BlueHerons

Spurrier took the job for TWO reasons:

1. We were in the SEC.

2. Hootie Johnson gave him a membership to Augusta National.

Spurrier never would have looked at us if we were in another conference. Don't kid yourself.

He considered Unc seriously, said so in his call in show when he went off on Ron Morris. They are neither in the sec or tied to Augusta.

[Spurrier_Superior_One]

Originally Posted by trapper82

He considered Unc seriously, said so in his call in show when he went off on Ron Morris. They are neither in the sec or tied to Augusta.

Without being in the SEC for the past twenty years we would be pure 100% garbage being an independent with no tv contract, no exposure, crap facilities, scrub coaches, and scrub players. HBC saw a challenge here at South Carolina with a unyielding desire to win by both the fans and the administration, we wanted to be one of the best of the SEC and that is what drew the HBC here.

[trapper82]

Originally Posted by CockyMBA

That good leadership (King Dixon) was back in 1992 that jumped on the offer to move us from independent to the SEC. I say all the time that was the beginning of the athletic renaissance of USC.

Bottom line, money talks and money has given us the ability to lay the foundation over the last couple of decades.

The jerk that Mike McGee was, he was still a well connected AD. One of the BEST in the business at the time. He presided over Southern Cal's athletic success in the 80s & 90s and we got him to come over to what was the challenge of making USC a contender. Revenue was less than $20M when came. It was almost $60M when he left. But he's not coming WITHOUT the money. Because he needed that money to hire the right people.

Curtis Frye in Track & Field, Ray Tanner in baseball, Holtz & Spurrier in football. Hell count Eddie Fogler & Dave Odom in men's basketball. Regardless of if they were washes or came at the pinnacle of their careers, something they all had was credibility. All had success and name recognition as being of the best in their sports. As an independent, who were the big name coaches we were able to bring over? Sparky Woods? Brad Scott? George Felton? Steve Newton?

Fact is we HAD to go after mid-major coaches or assistants to be our coaches. Coaches who lacked the pedigree or experience. But once we joined the SEC...which begat higher television packages...which begat more money to institutions due to equal revenue sharing, that changed.

The fruits are one of the newer/better basketball arenas in the conference, the best baseball stadium, improved football stadium/area and a new village for the Olympic sports. The athletes want to play in facilities like ours. The coaches know that is a recruiting tool and it makes them feel better because money is being spent on their program.

I live in Detroit, and I can watch my alma mater play more than I see the west coast USC. I watch EVERY football game and even get to see basketball & baseball. That was unheard of...even when I moved here in 2003. That's due to the SEC & the ESPN partnership. You know what being on TV can do for a brand and its perception, especially when you're winning big football games or national championships in another major sport.

So I think you're almost equating our move to the SEC as inconsequential to our current "Glory Years" were going through now.

I think the evidence says that our success is completely due to being a member institution of the SEC. Obviously, admin needs to continue to do the right things and coaches and athletes need to continue to perform.

I think every school in the SEC is thankful for the conference. Association has it's benefits and what better benefit than increasing your cash flow?

I do not think it inconsequential at all, but some of our darkest days were 8the years after joining the sec. People want to compare our joining the conference to Texas A&M's and they are totally different now. Joining the sec was not a magic ticket, the teams have been successful which have grown the conference, which in turn grows the conference. Its a symbiotic relationship, and I cheer for anything that makes USC better. If it came to us winning the sec and going to the sugar or Alabama winning and going to the NC which do you think is better for the sec? If that were to happen we'd all say screw the sec, we want to win. Sec is the best conference and lets us do a lot we couldn't do otherwise. I am happy to be in the sec and support it as much as it helps us.

[BlueHerons]

Originally Posted by CockyMBA

That good leadership (King Dixon) was back in 1992 that jumped on the offer to move us from independent to the SEC. I say all the time that was the beginning of the athletic renaissance of USC.

Bottom line, money talks and money has given us the ability to lay the foundation over the last couple of decades.

The jerk that Mike McGee was, he was still a well connected AD. One of the BEST in the business at the time. He presided over Southern Cal's athletic success in the 80s & 90s and we got him to come over to what was the challenge of making USC a contender. Revenue was less than $20M when came. It was almost $60M when he left. But he's not coming WITHOUT the money. Because he needed that money to hire the right people.

Curtis Frye in Track & Field, Ray Tanner in baseball, Holtz & Spurrier in football. Hell count Eddie Fogler & Dave Odom in men's basketball. Regardless of if they were washes or came at the pinnacle of their careers, something they all had was credibility. All had success and name recognition as being of the best in their sports. As an independent, who were the big name coaches we were able to bring over? Sparky Woods? Brad Scott? George Felton? Steve Newton?

Fact is we HAD to go after mid-major coaches or assistants to be our coaches. Coaches who lacked the pedigree or experience. But once we joined the SEC...which begat higher television packages...which begat more money to institutions due to equal revenue sharing, that changed.

The fruits are one of the newer/better basketball arenas in the conference, the best baseball stadium, improved football stadium/area and a new village for the Olympic sports. The athletes want to play in facilities like ours. The coaches know that is a recruiting tool and it makes them feel better because money is being spent on their program.

I live in Detroit, and I can watch my alma mater play more than I see the west coast USC. I watch EVERY football game and even get to see basketball & baseball. That was unheard of...even when I moved here in 2003. That's due to the SEC & the ESPN partnership. You know what being on TV can do for a brand and its perception, especially when you're winning big football games or national championships in another major sport.

So I think you're almost equating our move to the SEC as inconsequential to our current "Glory Years" were going through now.

I think the evidence says that our success is completely due to being a member institution of the SEC. Obviously, admin needs to continue to do the right things and coaches and athletes need to continue to perform.

I think every school in the SEC is thankful for the conference. Association has it's benefits and what better benefit than increasing your cash flow?

Amen! Spot on assessment!

If it wasn't for the SEC, we would not be where we are now.

We've never had any historical greatness other independents had to fall back on. I don't think the school won an NCAA title of any sort prior to 2000.

A good friend of mine is a Michigan Alumni. When I was telling him historically how horrible we've been for the last 120 years, he was simply shocked. He didn't understand how a program as old as ours was do dismal.