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Old 12-14-2015, 06:07 PM   #1
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What Are Process-Goals?

Process based goals are best when you are taking on a new goal in an area where you aren’t already skilled or experienced.
Think of process-based goals as habits or activities. Ultimately, you expect those habits to lead to outcomes but initially your goal should be simply to develop the habit itself! Once you have the habit down, that's when you'll turn your focus to the outcomes those habits are intended to produce.
Let’s take a common one: getting into shape. When you are just starting out, you simply need to get into the habit of eating better and exercising more.
An example goal could be, “For the next three months, I am going to get to the gym three times a week for at least 45 minutes each time, and I’m going to do these types of exercises: x, y, z. Additionally, I will eliminate all beer and twinkies from my diet.”
It’s still measureable and timebound. But notice there is no specified outcome – no amount of fat lost or muscle gained, even thought that’s really your long-term goal – to lose fat and/or gain muscle.
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What Are Outcome-Goals?

Now eventually, once you're more experienced in something, then you switch to outcome driven goals. Outcome based goals almost disregard the process to get there - all that matters is the outcome!
So, if you're really already skilled at computer programming, you don't really need to have a process-driven thing of “I'm going to code for 4 hrs everyday for the next week”. You can jump to outcome based goals like “I will write a program in C++ that models the swine flu outbreak over the next 12 months allowing for up to 5 different input variables, and will complete this code bug-free and user tested by May 12th.”
And going back to the fitness example, if you have already been working out and eating well, and have some baseline of how much fat you have lost or muscle you have gained, is it enough to stick to a goal based solely around showing up at the gym?
No! You're already experienced. You don't need to learn the process, you don't need to develop the habit. You need an outcome. And in that case, outcome-driven goals are the most appropriate. For example “By May 15 I will weigh 170 lbs and be at 15% bodyfat”.
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Muschamp believes that recruiting within a five-hour radius of USC, "we can recruit good enough players to win the East every year."
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Old 12-14-2015, 06:08 PM   #2
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i think it completely depends on what kind of goals you are setting. but most assuredly, some of both being mixed in can't hurt. in any case, most highly achieved goals are process based. you use a tried and true methodology, and stick to it for the most part. but sometimes you have to go for broke. jmo.
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Old 12-14-2015, 06:32 PM   #5
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we've moved to outcomes in our company. change is accelerating, the need to pivot many times to drive and outcome...process can't keep up.
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Saban is a process guy. I'm sure Muschamp, as a padawan of Saban, is as well. Is that where this is going?
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I hate corporate speak. The only goal is to win; every game, every bowl, every championship.
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I hate corporate speak. The only goal is to win; every game, every bowl, every championship.
How are you going to make that happen?
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I hate corporate speak. The only goal is to win; every game, every bowl, every championship.
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Old 12-14-2015, 06:44 PM   #11
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Default Re: Outcome-Based Goals vs Process-Based Goals

dont outcome based goals entail changing processes, thus setting an outcome based goal will result from changing processes? If you want a particular outcome, doing what you are doing today, wont result in that outcome or else you wouldnt need to set the goal in the first place

I guess in my line of business, I set an outcome goal, and to get there requires changing processes, and thus process based goals are set, but only as a step to acheive the outcome...kinda a basic workplan that I develop for all client work
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Saban is a process guy. I'm sure Muschamp, as a padawan of Saban, is as well. Is that where this is going?

Yep, and based on Saban's processes, he's been pretty good with the outcomes!
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we've moved to outcomes in our company. change is accelerating, the need to pivot many times to drive and outcome...process can't keep up.
This, process too slow. Get done faster. More time for beer.
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Old 12-14-2015, 07:21 PM   #16
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There is a reason that practice makes perfect. In turn, you must perfect the process in order to get you there.

For football, perfecting the process pertains to weight lifting, conditioning, studying the playbook, route running, passing mechanics, proper technique on offensive or defensive line, tackling techniques, etc.
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I prefer to stick with the terminology of Locke and Latham of performance and learning goals. If the person has the requisite knowledge, skills and abilities the performance goals (specific and difficult) are preferred. If the person is lacking in the knowledge skills or abilities the learning goals (vague) are preferred.

I was doing a lit review on goal setting (mostly in business) but what I did see in healthcare related to keeping and maintaining a weight loss program outcome goals seemed to work pretty good (given these were with an established program so there was no "learning" on the part of the participants)
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I look at it as this program is trying to become an elite winning program.

We have never been an elite winning program.

Our goals are championships and winning.

We are essentially taking on some goals in areas where we aren’t already skilled or experienced.

What are the components of championships and winning programs that we are trying ot adopt?

We can assume recruiting, hard work, facilities and the proper teachers/assistants/administrators/coaches play into it.

Have we upgraded any of those up to this point? (You will have to use reasonably comparable data points)
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I don't really care, because I never get past the motivation part. Goals are for like "ambitious" people.
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