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Old 03-07-2018, 08:35 AM   #1
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Says Williams saw a decreased roll because of inconsistency on game day. The biggest inconsistency I saw was his playing time early in the season. No carries the first game. 14 in the second. None in the third. 13 in the fourth. Etc. I think he mostly performed very well and came away as the teams second leading rusher with very limited carries. He mostly performed well in limited action.

I did not like our run game approach at all last season. Yeah, we have a lot of horses, but you canít give a guy 0 carries in 1 game, then give him 15 in he next, then 0 the next and so on. And we had too much rotation within games. RBs feed off of rhythm. I know weíve got horses but youíve got to go with one and make him the feature back. Several times this last season when we had a back break of 2 or 3 decent runs in a row and get in a rhythm, Bentley would pull him.

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I agree with both. I think he was definitely the hot hand early in the season, and the coaches (admittedly) saw that gave him the ball more. Then his production dropped off. On top of that Turner's production increased and Mon Denson started putting together some good runs as well.
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He was productive with the ball last year but struggled in pass protection, which I believe he was punished.
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Says Williams saw a decreased roll because of inconsistency on game day. The biggest inconsistency I saw was his playing time early in the season. No carries the first game. 14 in the second. None in the third. 13 in the fourth. Etc. I think he mostly performed very well and came away as the teams second leading rusher with very limited carries. He mostly performed well in limited action.

I did not like our run game approach at all last season. Yeah, we have a lot of horses, but you can’t give a guy 0 carries in 1 game, then give him 15 in he next, then 0 the next and so on. And we had too much rotation within games. RBs feed off of rhythm. I know we’ve got horses but you’ve got to go with one and make him the feature back. Several times this last season when we had a back break of 2 or 3 decent runs in a row and get in a rhythm, Bentley would pull him.

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I hated our haphazard and incoherent approach to the running game last year and hope that things improve under BMac and a more experienced Bentley. Some of the inconsistency seemed to come from issues with the RPO, but I also never understood Roper's unwillingness to run the ball off tackle or outside, where our running game was often much more effective. Again, I believe that those things will improve this year. I did think Ty'son was somewhat inconsistent from game to game, but I agree with your point that there were bigger game management issues that may have contributed to that.

That said, I disagree with the 'pick a back and ride him' approach that you favor. That can work, but most successful teams these days give meaningful carries to at least 2 or 3 backs plus the QB (when you have a DT QB), at least in cases where there's not an extreme dropoff to the 2nd and 3rd backs. Georgia has been the most obvious example, but Alabama's distribution in 2017 was: D. Harris 135 carries, Scarborough 124 carries, N. Harris 61 carries, plus Hurts leading the team with 154 carries. Oklahoma had Anderson and Sermon, while Clemson had Etienne and Feaster (plus Bryant, with far and away the most carries). The difference was that those teams (which feature very different offensive approaches) had a fairly consistent plan for how to utilize their backs, whereas we didn't (or at least I could never identify one). Hopefully that changes, and Ty'son finds a productive role in our new schemes.
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Looking forward to seeing them all back.

CBB wants one of the RB's to emerge as a leader on the field and in the meeting room.

Lets hope one or two of them do just that.

Maybe AJ will be that man.
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You obviously don’t understand the nuances of baseball.
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I hated our haphazard and incoherent approach to the running game last year and hope that things improve under BMac and a more experienced Bentley. Some of the inconsistency seemed to come from issues with the RPO, but I also never understood Roper's unwillingness to run the ball off tackle or outside, where our running game was often much more effective. .......................
I think I heard in CBB's interview - heard him say something about sharing a philosophy with BMac about gaining "yards on the perimeter". I would LOVE to see us take advantage of that more often, when we can.
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No no...and no.

Turner, while a tough runner...does NOT have the body to be a every down, running between the tackles RB.

He is quick...but not enough of burner to be exclusive to getting to the edge on design stretch runs.

I've seen Turner get blasted multiple times from LBs and Safeties over the years whether at RB or on Kick Returns.

When he shows me he can consistently deliver a hit...rather than take hit from the defense...then they can make him a feature back.

IMO, Dowdle, Williams, Denson...in that order...should get the bulk of the RB carries.

That said, I do hope Turner contributes to the offense in '18.

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In watching all of the action last year, and replaying a lot of it, I saw a few things that were puzzling. I think we way too seldom exploited the perimeter with either runs or swing passes to the backs. Williams showed good speed and one-cut ability, but little yards after contact. He is a fairly big and strong back. I think that issue is coach Bentley's biggest concern. Turner uses amazing leg drive and leverage for his size and runs surprisingly well inside. Dowdle is a terror after contact with a lot of power to go with his cutting ability. All three, plus Denson, have key strengths to add to the game plan. Bentley wants a back to get 2 yards when they need it no matter if the blocking fails. I think that's his key beef with Williams for whom he sees a real upside.
From what I've seen, I like Dowdle and Williams as the early-in-the-game options with more perimeter runs sprinkled with some Turner because he is so versatile. In the later part of the game, I like more Turner against a tired defense, because he can burst straight ahead and take it for a long score. With the injuries we've seen, major and minor, I think we can all see the need to have multiple backs with both ability and experience ready to go at all times.
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Williams has to learn how to block. More to playing RB than just running the ball. I disagree in Turner not being able to be a primary back. He is the toughest RB on our Roster and has been the most productive. He is not the biggest but he still sticks his nose in their every time he touches the ball. Dowdle is obviously our most talented but appears somewhat injury prone so he is the one that has not been able to hold up.
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In watching all of the action last year, and replaying a lot of it, I saw a few things that were puzzling. I think we way too seldom exploited the perimeter with either runs or swing passes to the backs. Williams showed good speed and one-cut ability, but little yards after contact. He is a fairly big and strong back. I think that issue is coach Bentley's biggest concern. Turner uses amazing leg drive and leverage for his size and runs surprisingly well inside. Dowdle is a terror after contact with a lot of power to go with his cutting ability. All three, plus Denson, have key strengths to add to the game plan. Bentley wants a back to get 2 yards when they need it no matter if the blocking fails. I think that's his key beef with Williams for whom he sees a real upside.
From what I've seen, I like Dowdle and Williams as the early-in-the-game options with more perimeter runs sprinkled with some Turner because he is so versatile. In the later part of the game, I like more Turner against a tired defense, because he can burst straight ahead and take it for a long score. With the injuries we've seen, major and minor, I think we can all see the need to have multiple backs with both ability and experience ready to go at all times.
We will definitely exploit the whole field this year. We will make Teams defend the entire field vs what we did under Roper. I expect big things from the Offense this year.
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yes the rotation was perplexing the first 3 games, but the following 4 games he was a regular part of the rotation and was productive. then against vandy and georgia he was awful, 14 touches 17 yards. there were plays to be had or one on ones that he has to win and he didnt. thats what bentley was talking about, he would look great one second then look terrible.
that doesnt make him all that much different from the other backs, but in general carry to carry he wasnt as productive as he should have been.
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I get wanting a guy to emerge...you need a guy when you need a 2-yard run, or a nose for the goal line.

To me, we need two guys to emerge...in today's game, one RB just is not enough...UGA, Bama, even Clemson has found success with a duo of backs....I personally would love to see AJ and Ty'Son emerge...

also, a better split of carries....maybe give AJ, TW and Dowdle some early carries, then ride with whoever has the hot hand that day, and spell them with the other two in situational points....IE don't send one of the bigger backs on an outside run with that is Turner's forte...or don't send Turner up the middle on a power run.
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I hated our haphazard and incoherent approach to the running game last year and hope that things improve under BMac and a more experienced Bentley. Some of the inconsistency seemed to come from issues with the RPO, but I also never understood Roper's unwillingness to run the ball off tackle or outside, where our running game was often much more effective. Again, I believe that those things will improve this year. I did think Ty'son was somewhat inconsistent from game to game, but I agree with your point that there were bigger game management issues that may have contributed to that.

That said, I disagree with the 'pick a back and ride him' approach that you favor. That can work, but most successful teams these days give meaningful carries to at least 2 or 3 backs plus the QB (when you have a DT QB), at least in cases where there's not an extreme dropoff to the 2nd and 3rd backs. Georgia has been the most obvious example, but Alabama's distribution in 2017 was: D. Harris 135 carries, Scarborough 124 carries, N. Harris 61 carries, plus Hurts leading the team with 154 carries. Oklahoma had Anderson and Sermon, while Clemson had Etienne and Feaster (plus Bryant, with far and away the most carries). The difference was that those teams (which feature very different offensive approaches) had a fairly consistent plan for how to utilize their backs, whereas we didn't (or at least I could never identify one). Hopefully that changes, and Ty'son finds a productive role in our new schemes.
I still think we have to identify a feature back. That doesn’t mean he gets 90% of the carries, but certainly the majority. The percent of carries was split among UGA’s top 4 backs as follows: 44%, 30%, 16% and 10%. For us on the other hand, it was: 33%, 32%, 22% and 14%. UGA has a good distribution, but with one back clearly getting the most carries. When I look at their distribution, I see strategy. When I look at ours, I see indecision. If you look at just the top 2 backs, for UGA Chubb got about 60% of the carries. For us, it was a statistical tie at 50% each.

We can’t use the excuse that we have too many good backs. Nobody is more loaded than UGA, but they found a way to get a good distribution.
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No no...and no.

Turner, while a tough runner...does NOT have the body to be a every down, running between the tackles RB.

He is quick...but not enough of burner to be exclusive to getting to the edge on design stretch runs.

I've seen Turner get blasted multiple times from LBs and Safeties over the years whether at RB or on Kick Returns.

When he shows me he can consistently deliver a hit...rather than take hit from the defense...then they can make him a feature back.

IMO, Dowdle, Williams, Denson...in that order...should get the bulk of the RB carries.

That said, I do hope Turner contributes to the offense in '18.

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Your comment seems to reflect usual thinking, but ignore the evidence. Turner has shown durability and power up the middle in defiance of the size issue. Every back gets stoned sometimes - including Todd Gurley (by undersized Skai Moore 3 years ago). I don't crave seeing any of our backs being 25+ carries guys for their sake and our offense, so I welcome role contributions and relief when helpful. A long history of research and experience has shown fatigue as an open door for injury.
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I definitely agree that they need to stop using Turner on those 3rd down and short situations near the goal line... that's what just stupid IMHO. Having said that, he's a perfect back for downs where they aren't stacking the short gain in the middle since he's so versatile. He runs hard up the middle when it is needed and can hit the edge with great speed.
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I still think we have to identify a feature back. That doesnít mean he gets 90% of the carries, but certainly the majority. The percent of carries was split among UGAís top 4 backs as follows: 44%, 30%, 16% and 10%. For us on the other hand, it was: 33%, 32%, 22% and 14%. UGA has a good distribution, but with one back clearly getting the most carries. When I look at their distribution, I see strategy. When I look at ours, I see indecision. If you look at just the top 2 backs, for UGA Chubb got about 60% of the carries. For us, it was a statistical tie at 50% each.

We canít use the excuse that we have too many good backs. Nobody is more loaded than UGA, but they found a way to get a good distribution.
I can't disagree with much of this because it's in line with what I said in my previous post. I would only add that our distribution (and our identification of a feature back) might well have looked different had Rico been healthy last year.
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Looking forward to seeing them all back.

CBB wants one of the RB's to emerge as a leader on the field and in the meeting room.

Lets hope one or two of them do just that.

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No no...and no.

Turner, while a tough runner...does NOT have the body to be a every down, running between the tackles RB.

He is quick...but not enough of burner to be exclusive to getting to the edge on design stretch runs.

I've seen Turner get blasted multiple times from LBs and Safeties over the years whether at RB or on Kick Returns.

When he shows me he can consistently deliver a hit...rather than take hit from the defense...then they can make him a feature back.

IMO, Dowdle, Williams, Denson...in that order...should get the bulk of the RB carries.

That said, I do hope Turner contributes to the offense in '18.

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This was coming from Bentley. AJ is the players favorite. He works hard on and off the field. This is what CBB was talking about, a RB that leads by example.
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