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Old 11-14-2018, 12:48 PM   #361
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Default Re: **USC (1-0) vs. Stony Brook (1-0) GAME Thread**

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I think I am mostly in agreement with you.

I don't know if you remember or not but there was a story out that this is what got Eddie Fogler fired. The story was that McGee told him 2 NCAA trips over 8 years was not enough. Eddie told him that 1 trip to the tournament every 3 or 4 years was the best SC could expect. The irony is that when he was at Witchita State he made the NCAA 2 out 3 seasons. At Vanderbilt he made it 2 out of 4 years.

That seems to be the direction SC is going with Martin except that so far it has been 1 appearance in 7 years. I also wish Frank would stop taking shots at the fans. He does that in almost every post-game.

Constantly taking shots at fans is what got Jim Carlen fired.
Should have been 2 NCAA appearances for Martin, and that would have been 2 out of the last three years.

Counting his lack of NCAA appearances at the start of Martin's tenure is beyond unfair - he was left with zero talent and had to build from scratch, starting with players that he threw together at the last minute in his first class.

It is safe to say that Fogler inherited better situations at Wichita State and Vandy than he (or Martin) inherited at South Carolina. Their predecessors, Steve "Fig" Newton and Darrin Horn, were the two worst coaches in the history of South Carolina basketball.

And the sparse talent that Darrin Horn left behind promptly departed as soon as Martin was named Head Coach. But yeah, blame the lack of initial NCAA success on Martin and not Horn - Horn was doing so well prior to getting canned.
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Old 11-14-2018, 01:05 PM   #362
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Stop with the should have been BS, we didn't get in, period. That what happens when you play a weak nonconference schedule.
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Stop with the should have been BS, we didn't get in, period. That what happens when you play a weak nonconference schedule.
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Old 11-14-2018, 04:33 PM   #364
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Should have been 2 NCAA appearances for Martin, and that would have been 2 out of the last three years.

Counting his lack of NCAA appearances at the start of Martin's tenure is beyond unfair - he was left with zero talent and had to build from scratch, starting with players that he threw together at the last minute in his first class.

It is safe to say that Fogler inherited better situations at Wichita State and Vandy than he (or Martin) inherited at South Carolina. Their predecessors, Steve "Fig" Newton and Darrin Horn, were the two worst coaches in the history of South Carolina basketball.

And the sparse talent that Darrin Horn left behind promptly departed as soon as Martin was named Head Coach. But yeah, blame the lack of initial NCAA success on Martin and not Horn - Horn was doing so well prior to getting canned.
It isn't unfair at all. That is what he was hired to do. The team the year before was simply not good enough to make the tournament. The fact still stands that Frank Martin has made the NCAA Tournament once in 7 years as our coach. That is not a good record. Even if he makes it this year that will be equal to what EF thought was reasonable. A conclusion with which Mike McGee did not agree.

But if he makes it this year and next year then we are back on course. I, like most fans, am willing to wait and see. He's earned that much by making the FF. In other words, I am not calling for him to be terminated ... yet.
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