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Old 03-13-2017, 04:41 PM   #1
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You will see three juniors and 16 seniors participate in Tuesday morning's Pro Timing Day at Williams-Brice Stadium.

This is the first year the College Advisory Committee is offering feedback to underclassmen toward a future NFL draft.

This benefits our Seniors this year because the three listed juniors have received attention from NFL team scouts and will lead to more attention for the Senior class that has been underwhelming or ignored due to the results in the win-loss column over the last two years. In the future, the team will hopefully be deep and good enough where the opposite is true - Seniors would be the main draw with underclassmen reaping collateral coverage and interests.

"It's just an opportunity to get looks. I'm excited to see what it's all about," Hurst said. "For me, I want to get my name out there. It's going to be fun to show what I can do."
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:29 AM   #2
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They didn't participate, just went through measurements.

The times today we're all unbelievablely slow. English was a 4.86. Diggs 4.95
Que Lewis 4.82. No wonder Boom said we need more speed.
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Old 03-15-2017, 12:35 AM   #3
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They didn't participate, just went through measurements.

The times today we're all unbelievablely slow. English was a 4.86. Diggs 4.95
Que Lewis 4.82. No wonder Boom said we need more speed.
D. Bowen killed it in the 100 m event he ran several days ago. Him, S. Smith, and a few others should be able to bring some speed come next fall.
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Old 03-15-2017, 02:23 AM   #4
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D. Bowen killed it in the 100 m event he ran several days ago. Him, S. Smith, and a few others should be able to bring some speed come next fall.
I saw that. We need that kind of speed on defense. Honestly, looking at our pro day times, it was embarassing. I mean those were some high school times.
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For his size and frame, Qua Lewis's time wasn't bad. Very surprised he beat English. I'd heard English was running high 4.6s. Usually, if your agent knows you'll post a bad time, bench rep, etc, he/she will advise you against performing that event, even at pro day. So, either we had a slow track, he had an off day, or his agent is an idiot. Or, maybe I'm just FOS.
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Old 03-15-2017, 06:41 AM   #6
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I'd heard English was running high 4.6s. Usually, if your agent knows you'll post a bad time, bench rep, etc, he/she will advise you against performing that event, even at pro day. So, either we had a slow track, he had an off day, or his agent is an idiot.
At this point, Darius needs to just get into someone's camp and see if he can produce.

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Old 03-15-2017, 08:02 AM   #7
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They didn't participate, just went through measurements.

The times today we're all unbelievablely slow. English was a 4.86. Diggs 4.95
Que Lewis 4.82. No wonder Boom said we need more speed.
Having watched this D for the past 3 seasons, I'm not surprised. The D has been extremely slow.
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They didn't participate, just went through measurements.

The times today we're all unbelievablely slow. English was a 4.86. Diggs 4.95
Que Lewis 4.82. No wonder Boom said we need more speed.
Dang. That's downright sluggish.
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Old 03-15-2017, 09:16 AM   #9
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For his size and frame, Qua Lewis's time wasn't bad. Very surprised he beat English. I'd heard English was running high 4.6s. Usually, if your agent knows you'll post a bad time, bench rep, etc, he/she will advise you against performing that event, even at pro day. So, either we had a slow track, he had an off day, or his agent is an idiot. Or, maybe I'm just FOS.
That's a very good time for Lewis. I'm saying that thinking if he gets a shot it may be at DT.

Very bad time for English. His first four years here were underwhelming, he got his sacks this year pretty much against weaker OL's, and being sent from different angles. He pretty much disappeared the last few games playing against better teams. He's had a while to put everything into this since the season ended, either he didn't apply himself in his preparation or something went wrong.

Seems like Diggs playing time dropped dramatically last year, again, like English he had plenty of time to put everything into this.

Anyone paying attention the last few years could see we were getting progressively slower and weaker at all positions than other teams. It's been a downward spiral since 2010 or so.
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Old 03-15-2017, 11:19 AM   #10
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That's a very good time for Lewis. I'm saying that thinking if he gets a shot it may be at DT.

Very bad time for English. His first four years here were underwhelming, he got his sacks this year pretty much against weaker OL's, and being sent from different angles. He pretty much disappeared the last few games playing against better teams. He's had a while to put everything into this since the season ended, either he didn't apply himself in his preparation or something went wrong.

Seems like Diggs playing time dropped dramatically last year, again, like English he had plenty of time to put everything into this.

Anyone paying attention the last few years could see we were getting progressively slower and weaker at all positions than other teams. It's been a downward spiral since 2010 or so.
Qua helped himself and should get a look. Actually a little taller than advertised, good weight and speed for a DE. Other than that...

It pretty much confirms my thoughts:

One, we are not losing a lot. And certainly not a lot of speed, which has been an Achilles heel.

Second, OOS players tend to be ranked higher than they should be. Diggs was a 4*, Griffin a 4*, English a 4* and Parade All-American. I think English is faster than he showed (some guys do not have good sprint mechanics but are still fast) and he had a nice Senior year, so I am not saying he is a bad player, just that OOS guys tend to be ranked higher due to being in recruiting hotbeds.

Third, in-state players tend do be under-rated. Lewis looks like the most talented of the bunch, and he was unheralded coming out of HS (due primarily to academics) and he is also a JUCO.

Bottom line, Boom is doing the right things in recruiting. Look in-state first, and supplement with JUCOs to fill holes/provide depth with immediate impact guys. We are getting there.
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From the numbers I saw, I thought Johnathan Walton's performance was the best overall. he was somewhat low on the bench press numbers (4.69 40, 33.5 vertical, 15 bench reps). Holloman's forty time was just bad - he played well for us. The 40 time I saw listed for Lewis was 4.96. ten pounds heavier and 5 more bench reps, he could play inside or DE in a 3-4. He's a fighter and a hard worker.
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English was nursing a hamstring injury that affected his time. He has run a 4.6 time before the injury.
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Hard to believe that Diggs used to be a DB and can barely break 5 seconds in the 40.
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From the numbers I saw, I thought Johnathan Walton's performance was the best overall. he was somewhat low on the bench press numbers (4.69 40, 33.5 vertical, 15 bench reps). Holloman's forty time was just bad - he played well for us. The 40 time I saw listed for Lewis was 4.96. ten pounds heavier and 5 more bench reps, he could play inside or DE in a 3-4. He's a fighter and a hard worker.
Out of all of them, he and Tyler renew (citadel) are the ones I'm pulling for the most
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That's a very good time for Lewis. I'm saying that thinking if he gets a shot it may be at DT.

Very bad time for English. His first four years here were underwhelming, he got his sacks this year pretty much against weaker OL's, and being sent from different angles. He pretty much disappeared the last few games playing against better teams. He's had a while to put everything into this since the season ended, either he didn't apply himself in his preparation or something went wrong.

Seems like Diggs playing time dropped dramatically last year, again, like English he had plenty of time to put everything into this.

Anyone paying attention the last few years could see we were getting progressively slower and weaker at all positions than other teams. It's been a downward spiral since 2010 or so.
Remember when the previous staff wanted English to add 20 pounds before the 2015 season. He did, but it slowed him down. Then lost the weight and played much faster in 2016. I heard Muschamp comment after the pro day saying English was back up to 250. I think that extra weight slowed him down again.
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English was nursing a hamstring injury that affected his time. He has run a 4.6 time before the injury.
Then he shouldn't have run. That time will not help him.
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Remember when the previous staff wanted English to add 20 pounds before the 2015 season. He did, but it slowed him down. Then lost the weight and played much faster in 2016. I heard Muschamp comment after the pro day saying English was back up to 250. I think that extra weight slowed him down again.
Actually muschamp said he wished he would've weighed that last year
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Out of all of them, he and Tyler renew (citadel) are the ones I'm pulling for the most
Did you know Tyler Renew was the product of Rob Deboeor(sorry if spelled wrong) coaching and also James Reynolds
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Actually muschamp said he wished he would've weighed that last year
Yes he did, but the point I was making is that I didn't think he has the frame to add the extra weight without causing him to lose some of his speed, at least that's what happened in 2015. English had a pretty good season in 2016, but a lot of his production was against lesser competition.
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