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Old 03-07-2017, 10:37 AM   #1
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Default Lesson learned from recent QB situation

One thing I learned from the recent QB situation is that we should never, under any circumstances, bring in QBs under 6'1", unless you can run like the absolute devil. If you're going to have a semblance of a passing offense, you simply must have a QB who can see the field well. You've just got to have good field vision and it is immediately apparent when a QB doesn't have it. Aside from the seeing the field better, height opens up more opportunities for throwing angles. A taller QB can throw the ball lower to receivers when necessary, whereas a shorter QB will always have to throw up to get over the line.

Fortunately, Jake is 6'3"-ish and Scar is 6'4" or so. Ulrich is 6'3" and Joyner is 6'3". So it seems we are avoiding making that mistake again.

Here is a good analysis from the NFL and discussion on why height absolutely matter for the passing game. From the NFL, but it's relevance is the same:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...es-size-matter
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Old 03-07-2017, 10:42 AM   #2
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That was a terrible article you linked.

Though I agree that taller qbs usually are better.
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That was a terrible article you linked.

Though I agree that taller qbs usually are better.
Why terrible???
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Doug Flutie? Terrible?
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There have been QBs that were 6ft or less and passed the ball effectively. They have to throw in between the holes that lineman make and that is difficult but can be done. Taller QBs seem to have a easier time with the passing game just for the plain fact they can see and pass over the Olines.
Some offensive schemes lends itself to being able to use a smaller QB. In other words offenses that stress QBs running a lot have a chance of success with a QB that is not taller than 6ft.
That said, the offense we are trying to run at this time needs a tall QB that can stand in the pocket and see the field. He does need to have a little get up and go in him but primarily his first job is to distribute the ball to the play makers on offense.
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..Totally differnt time in the world...The kids playing these days are much bigger and taller now. I bet BC didnt have too many 6ft 5in offensive linemen back then. Flutie did a wonderful job of passing in the lanes also. That is a hard commodity to find now...
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Wonder if these are illegal in football?



Adds at least another foot.
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Adds at least another foot.

Would make textbook tackling a lot easier. Wrap the legs.
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Height can be a real help, but give me football sense and a commanding field presence over most factors. Happy footed tall quarterbacks can't match a Russell Wilson or a Connor Shaw in my view of a successful offense. Just don't take a mobile quarterback and fit him into an offensive scheme that doesn't use his abilities.
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Height can be a real help, but give me football sense and a commanding field presence over most factors. Happy footed tall quarterbacks can't match a Russell Wilson or a Connor Shaw in my view of a successful offense. Just don't take a mobile quarterback and fit him into an offensive scheme that doesn't use his abilities.
..Agreed, but a Shaw or Wilson is hard to come by. They are out there, but man are they hard to find. The kids playing oline and dline are so big now.
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That was a terrible article you linked.

Though I agree that taller qbs usually are better.
Not really. The article just broke down some basic QB stats based on QB height and showed a direct correlation. I was mostly interested in the numbers, which don't lie.

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Height can be a real help, but give me football sense and a commanding field presence over most factors. Happy footed tall quarterbacks can't match a Russell Wilson or a Connor Shaw in my view of a successful offense. Just don't take a mobile quarterback and fit him into an offensive scheme that doesn't use his abilities.
Shaw was 6'2", so he wouldn't fall under the 6'1" limitation. Shaw was the best of both worlds: tall enough to have good vision and make necessary throws, but very mobile as well.
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Like Connor Shaw? And I don't think Joyner is 6'3"
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Like Connor Shaw? And I don't think Joyner is 6'3"
Shaw is 6'2" or 6'1" (depending on who you believe) so he meets or exceeds the 6'1" limitation.

You are correct on Joyner, I got my numbers mixed up. He's listed as 6'2" on HUDL, 6'1" on Rivals, 6'1" on Scout, and 6'2" on 247. Either way, he should meet the 6'1" minimum.
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Shaw is 6'2" or 6'1" (depending on who you believe) so he meets or exceeds the 6'1" limitation.

You are correct on Joyner, I got my numbers mixed up. He's listed as 6'2" on HUDL, 6'1" on Rivals, 6'1" on Scout, and 6'2" on 247. Either way, he should meet the 6'1" minimum.
Shaw isn't 6'2". McIlwain was 6'0", I guess that 1 inch is the magic number in your opinion?
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Shaw is 6'2" or 6'1" (depending on who you believe) so he meets or exceeds the 6'1" limitation.

You are correct on Joyner, I got my numbers mixed up. He's listed as 6'2" on HUDL, 6'1" on Rivals, 6'1" on Scout, and 6'2" on 247. Either way, he should meet the 6'1" minimum.
..Nah my friend...if Shaw was lucky he was 6ft. Stood by him many times, Im 6ft 1in and he was nowhere close to my height.
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Shaw isn't 6'2". McIlwain was 6'0", I guess that 1 inch is the magic number in your opinion?
Unless you've put a tape measure up to Connor Shaw, I guess neither of really knows, other than what we can find online. But, again, either way, he meets the minimum 6'1".

Does the extra inch matter? It sure seems to if you look at the numbers. Every metric and ever edge matters in football, which is why a guy who's a hair faster in the 40 is likely to get drafted higher.

McIlwain seemed to the perfect storm of bad traits. Too short to see the field well and make some necessary throws and not very mobile. Shaw was a bit taller and had great mobility (plus many other football traits).

It's no great secret that height is important for QBs:

https://gooddeedseats.com/all-starti...rback-heights/

Only 3 starting NFL QBs come in under 6'2" (and one of those is terrible), so that tells what's valued at the next level.

Of course the 6'1" is arbitrary and taller is always better but that's the minimum height I would consider for a QB recruit, with the exception already mentioned.
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..Nah my friend...if Shaw was lucky he was 6ft. Stood by him many times, Im 6ft 1in and he was nowhere close to my height.
His official NFL profile lists his height as 6'1". I know it's not as official as the "I've stood next to him" standard. Be that as it may, he was arguably the greatest QB in our program's history and, as already mentioned in my original post, had the exceptional running ability that I said would make me consider a shorter QB. He was exceptional throwing outside the pocket and on the run, which are rare qualities. So, yes, Connor Shaw is the perfect example to prove my point. If you can find a once-in-a-generation talent like Shaw, take him.
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His official NFL profile lists his height as 6'1". I know it's not as official as the "I've stood next to him" standard. Be that as it may, he was arguably the greatest QB in our program's history and, as already mentioned in my original post, had the exceptional running ability that I said would make me consider a shorter QB. He was exceptional throwing outside the pocket and on the run, which are rare qualities. So, yes, Connor Shaw is the perfect example to prove my point. If you can find a once-in-a-generation talent like Shaw, take him.
..Shaw was great and I love the man for what he did here. What Shaw and Wilson proves is a shorter QB can throw the ball on the run and be effect. It also proves there are not many QBs like them that can be effective day in and day out. They are also prone to getting injured more than a QB that can stand back in the pocket tall with a good oline blocking for them. That is what our Ocord is trying to implement. Pro Style with a QB that can run a little if he has too.
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Oh and back to fsu Francois....he is the toughest SOB at QB I have seen in a long long time. I dont like fsu and I dont like the acc but I will give credit were it is due and I would love to have Francois as my teammate. The guy is tough and has the tools to be a great QB..
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