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Old 03-15-2017, 04:37 PM   #41
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I hope they both have great futures. I would like to read it. Do you have any links other than the schools Mcllwain said he was considering?
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Best running QB threat on the team pushed aside so that Muschamp can land a "splash" recruit and promise that recruit he would be "the guy" only to back out on that as well.
Its the coaches job to recruit better players each year. Its the players job to see the underclassmen don't get their positions. It's not the coaches fault McIlwain started ahead of Nunez. Nunez was a very talented runner, but needed a lot of improvement in his passing game.
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Its the coaches job to recruit better players each year. Its the players job to see the underclassmen don't get their positions. It's not the coaches fault McIlwain started ahead of Nunez. Nunez was a very talented runner, but needed a lot of improvement in his passing game.
Nunez was only separated from Mcilwain by one year. All in all, Nunez was clearly the better QB... but Mcilwain was the wild card and Nunez was hurt during Spring practice last year, so Mcilwain for the green light.
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He made his decision...he is out. Wish him the best.
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Wildly speculative.

Even so, should Muschamp be obligated to start an inferior QB to the detriment of the team if a better option is available, just because the other QB was here first?

Not as speculative as you would think...

An inferior QB? Who are you referring to? Bmac over Nunez or Bentley over Bmac?

If BMAC over Nunez: How could he have made the decision that Bmac was better than Nunez? Bmac was a true freshman. Should have never started at QB this year. It was going to be a crap year either way. Should have stuck with Orth or Nunez (if you have to rotate) given BOTH BMAC and BENTLEY a year to develop and compete for the job. But, BMAC would have never come to play here if that were the case.

If Bentley over Bmac: Again, Bmac should not have been a starter. However, he was, I think we did Bentley a huge disservice by starting him. Imagine if that kid came into 2017 an unknown with a year of development under him... he would have been even more of a monster. Now, teams will be game planning him with FILM from a season that really didn't matter in the scheme of things.

This again indicates a lack of understanding overall game theory. Playing the short game versus the long game.

Playing both Bmac and Bentley was more about Muschamp trying to get a spark for HIM not the team.
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The only thing I would say about comments like this is that when other QB from prominent schools have announced they were transferring you have schools who begin actively recruiting them. I haven't read anywhere about schools beating down the door to get Nunez or Mcllwain.
Eh. Sometimes. But, Muschamp sat Nunez for a year after playing a year and in terms of eligibility, that's what 50%? Also, SC is not a prominent school right now.

Bmac was not ready to start and didn't perform well. He was mishandled from the beginning and the frustration of that showed through.

I lay both of their issues at Muschamp's feet. He just doesn't have the proper mindset or experience he needs to be a head coach in the SEC. Maybe D1 as a whole.
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Nunez shoulder wad jacked up for all of spring camp last year that is why he didn't work out with the qb coupled with bmac was supposed to be the same type of qb. Nunez had more potential. bmac was wildly overrated due to his competition level in high school. if you watched his film it was obvious.
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Its the coaches job to recruit better players each year. Its the players job to see the underclassmen don't get their positions. It's not the coaches fault McIlwain started ahead of Nunez. Nunez was a very talented runner, but needed a lot of improvement in his passing game.
Nunez was a better passer than Bmac. Or at least, in a direct stat comparison he is. Nunez suffered an injury during spring practice. Muschamp barely talked about him up until then. It was clear he was leaning towards Bmac.

Anyway, I think he made a terrible decision and could have handled it in a way that allowed us to keep the players.

"Win now" is short sighted and that is not what we needed.

Just like people don't quit companies, they quit managers. Players don't quit teams or schools, they quit coaches.
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Not as speculative as you would think...

An inferior QB? Who are you referring to? Bmac over Nunez or Bentley over Bmac?

If BMAC over Nunez: How could he have made the decision that Bmac was better than Nunez? Bmac was a true freshman. Should have never started at QB this year. It was going to be a crap year either way. Should have stuck with Orth or Nunez (if you have to rotate) given BOTH BMAC and BENTLEY a year to develop and compete for the job. But, BMAC would have never come to play here if that were the case.

If Bentley over Bmac: Again, Bmac should not have been a starter. However, he was, I think we did Bentley a huge disservice by starting him. Imagine if that kid came into 2017 an unknown with a year of development under him... he would have been even more of a monster. Now, teams will be game planning him with FILM from a season that really didn't matter in the scheme of things.

This again indicates a lack of understanding overall game theory. Playing the short game versus the long game.

Playing both Bmac and Bentley was more about Muschamp trying to get a spark for HIM not the team.
Wow, that is delusional.

Under your scenario, Orth should have started all of last season, which meant Champ would have pulling a tank job for 2016 if he chose not to play his best players. We would have probably finished with 3-4 wins and seriously damaged our recruiting ability. Of note, Ortre Smith referenced looking forward to coming and playing with Bentley. Had Bentley not shown what he did as starter, we could have lost out on one of our best recruits.

Say Champ did hold back on Bentley so he could take the league by storm in 2017. That would have lasted all of one game. The mystery would have been over after one start when his game tape would be available. On top of that, there's nothing particularly flashy about Bentley's game that presents unique challenges for opposing coaches. He's a traditional, drop-back, pocket passer. It just appears that he's really, really good at it.
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Nunez shoulder wad jacked up for all of spring camp last year that is why he didn't work out with the qb coupled with bmac was supposed to be the same type of qb. Nunez had more potential. bmac was wildly overrated due to his competition level in high school. if you watched his film it was obvious.
Agreed. I still think given a year, Bmac would have been a more serviceable QB. Not great.
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Folks are reading way too much into things. This kind of stuff happens all the time in sports. Too many examples to list. One old: Wally Pipp got a headache, in stepped Lou Gehrig and the rest is history. One new: Romo is injured, Prescott steps in, Romo will no longer be a Cowboy.

Fans can endlessly debate all the "what if" scenarios. What if Brandon had been given a chance with a healthy Dowdle? What if Nunez had been given a chance after his injury healed? What if Bentley hadn't come in early?

What can't be debated is that Bentley clearly demonstrated himself to be the best QB of the 3 and, when given the opportunity to play, he made the most of it. There's nothing shady or sinister going on. Nunez was hurt. Brandon was wildly ineffective. Coaches went for the next man in line. That's where we are.
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Man he could be a real difference maker at WR, if he embraced it.
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He should transfer to Ga State
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In my opinion, the staff probably assessed that Nunez won't make it to the NFL as a QB. If the end goals was the NFL, that's why they tried him out at WR since getting to the NFL is probably his goal.

However, he still has great potential as a D1 college QB. I agree that hindsight 20/20 we should have had him and Perry dual for the #1 spot last year... and to redshirt the freshman BMac.

But, Nunez was hurt during Spring practice under a new coach who's mantra is that we're going to play the best players. There was nothing "wrong" in how this all played out, it was just unfortunate.
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Wow, that is delusional.

Under your scenario, Orth should have started all of last season, which meant Champ would have pulling a tank job for 2016 if he chose not to play his best players. We would have probably finished with 3-4 wins and seriously damaged our recruiting ability. Of note, Ortre Smith referenced looking forward to coming and playing with Bentley. Had Bentley not shown what he did as starter, we could have lost out on one of our best recruits.

Say Champ did hold back on Bentley so he could take the league by storm in 2017. That would have lasted all of one game. The mystery would have been over after one start when his game tape would be available. On top of that, there's nothing particularly flashy about Bentley's game that presents unique challenges for opposing coaches. He's a traditional, drop-back, pocket passer. It just appears that he's really, really good at it.
Is it at all possible to have any type of disagreement these days without someone calling into question your mental faculty? Especially if there is not evidence and the comparison is uncharitable at best. Calling something delusional when it clearly isn't, makes it harder to take anything you say as credible. Delusional typically indicates a mental disorder. Hallmarked by a lack of a rational thought. Disagree or whatever, nothing I said is irrational by any stretch. I mean, if we get into a definition debate, it will be boring and counterproductive.

When someone pulls the delusional card in a disagreement, they are attempting to insult the other person or deconstruct credibility without merit. Do it with your opinion, argument and facts, not your rhetoric.

My comments are simply a view of how things could have or should have gone in my scenario. Irrational would be to say we should have started a WR at QB and let all the other QBs compete in practice for a year.

Nothing about my suggestion was irrational. Simply, a different and plausible position.

I don't think the 2016 record would have made too much of a difference. We weren't on the cusp of signing a top 3 class. Let's be honest. The difference in signing a top 3 class and a top 5 class is VAST in comparison to signing a top 21 class or a top 30 class.

It's great that Smith chose the Gamecocks and while he has said that he is looking forward to playing with Bentley, that came WELL after he committed and none of his statements about why he committed to SC involved Bentley being a the key to his signing.

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The prospect of early playing time didn’t hurt, either. Smith’s size and athleticism make him a good candidate to see the field right away in Columbia, especially with the Gamecocks desperate to fill a dearth of offensive playmakers and maximize the tenure of quarterback Jake Bentley.

It was not a huge deal, but that’s always good to hear, even if sometimes it’s not true,” Smith said.

In South Carolina’s case, Smith believes it’s true.

“After witnessing it, seeing the situation, I was like, ‘Yeah, I could contribute early,’ ” he said.


You are attributing the writer's conjecture to Smith's thought process. Contribute early. More about depth at WR.

As far as playing Orth and winning 3 or 4 games. Maybe. Maybe not. No way to know. I doubt it. I could see it being 4 or 5 wins (Tennessee game might have gone the other way). Still, the difference in coming off of 5 wins and coming off of 6 wins... I think that would be negligible in the recruiting world. No more damage than being STOMPED by Clemson and then losing is a crappy bowl to USF.
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Is it at all possible to have any type of disagreement these days without someone calling into question your mental faculty? Especially if there is not evidence and the comparison is uncharitable at best. Calling something delusional when it clearly isn't, makes it harder to take anything you say as credible. Delusional typically indicates a mental disorder. Hallmarked by a lack of a rational thought. Disagree or whatever, nothing I said is irrational by any stretch. I mean, if we get into a definition debate, it will be boring and counterproductive.

When someone pulls the delusional card in a disagreement, they are attempting to insult the other person or deconstruct credibility without merit. Do it with your opinion, argument and facts, not your rhetoric.

My comments are simply a view of how things could have or should have gone in my scenario. Irrational would be to say we should have started a WR at QB and let all the other QBs compete in practice for a year.

Nothing about my suggestion was irrational. Simply, a different and plausible position.

I don't think the 2016 record would have made too much of a difference. We weren't on the cusp of signing a top 3 class. Let's be honest. The difference in signing a top 3 class and a top 5 class is VAST in comparison to signing a top 21 class or a top 30 class.

It's great that Smith chose the Gamecocks and while he has said that he is looking forward to playing with Bentley, that came WELL after he committed and none of his statements about why he committed to SC involved Bentley being a the key to his signing.



You are attributing the writer's conjecture to Smith's thought process. Contribute early. More about depth at WR.

As far as playing Orth and winning 3 or 4 games. Maybe. Maybe not. No way to know. I doubt it. I could see it being 4 or 5 wins (Tennessee game might have gone the other way). Still, the difference in coming off of 5 wins and coming off of 6 wins... I think that would be negligible in the recruiting world. No more damage than being STOMPED by Clemson and then losing is a crappy bowl to USF.
You were suggesting our coaches intentionally throw in the towel last season. To me, that is delusional.
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What can't be debated is that Bentley clearly demonstrated himself to be the best QB of the 3 and, when given the opportunity to play, he made the most of it. There's nothing shady or sinister going on. Nunez was hurt. Brandon was wildly ineffective. Coaches went for the next man in line. That's where we are.
Agreed with your recap of what happened... If we were talking about a spring/fall competition... I would be on board. Instead, we got true freshman thrown against competition like spaghetti against a wall while the hit their knees in prayer for something to stick. It's not good for the players. It's not good for the team.

I will say this, Bentley gets hurt and there is NO ONE with experience behind him. It didn't have to be that way. You handle this right and we have both Nunez and Bmac back there. ESPECIALLY considering that our running game is going to be suspect... it would have been nice.
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Default Re: Any chance Nunez comes back?

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Originally Posted by cockykarma View Post
Agreed with your recap of what happened... If we were talking about a spring/fall competition... I would be on board. Instead, we got true freshman thrown against competition like spaghetti against a wall while the hit their knees in prayer for something to stick. It's not good for the players. It's not good for the team.

I will say this, Bentley gets hurt and there is NO ONE with experience behind him. It didn't have to be that way. You handle this right and we have both Nunez and Bmac back there. ESPECIALLY considering that our running game is going to be suspect... it would have been nice.
I'm just not sure it really would have mattered in the long run. To me, Brandon showed no QB potential whatsoever. He could not throw and was no serious threat on the ground. On top of that, he simply looked lost when he was in the game. So I would not have considered him a viable option even as a backup. Nunez may have been ok as a backup, but probably not head and shoulders above what Scar can do. No matter what, the dropoff between Bentley and #2 would have been significant.

And, coaches can't coach the team in fear that a player might transfer. To be sure, they shouldn't mistreat players, but neither Brandon nor Nunez were mistreated. They both clearly think they can be starting QB. But we can't have 3 starting QBs.
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