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Old 03-13-2017, 05:28 PM   #41
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Time to let it go. I am sure there were many reasons both good and maybe not so good that lead him to his decision. Taking shots at a kid like this is uncalled for. I will say the guy is an Elite 11 QB and is plenty talented enough to be starter at a Power 5 school. Something that just isn't happening so long as a healthy Jake Bentley is here. So I support him trying be starter if that is what his dream is.
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Dang it, smoove. I was poking fun at the nay-sayers.


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His skill set did not work well with Roper's offense and he was not going to be able to beat out Bentley.

He had not been able to sniff PT on the baseball team. Even if he could contribute in baseball, going full-time baseball was not an option with limited scholarships - most baseball guys are not on full scholarship and BMac was not eligible for lottery funds because he was out of state. And there was probably not even a partial available right now, much less a full.

I wish him well and hate it for a good Gamecock, but I think he is making the right move.
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What happened with Nunez and BMac are textbook examples of why it is unwise to start true Freshmen most of the time.

But we didn't have a choice. It just is what it is.
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What happened with Nunez and BMac are textbook examples of why it is unwise to start true Freshmen most of the time.

But we didn't have a choice. It just is what it is.
I think it just boils down to regime change. Nunez was already here. Champ was brought in so late in the recruiting game, he had no choice but to stick with BMac. But neither one fit the offense he wants to run.

That aside, Nunez probably wasn't really meant to be a QB. Promising him the chance to compete at QB is what gave us the advantage over other schools when recruiting him. BMac, as of now, simply appears to be a recruiting miss (mostly by the previous staff). I'd be surprised to see either go onto productive careers at QB at a major college.
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You don't usually become a good QB overnight going up against SEC defenses. It takes time. His time ran out halfway through the season. That is not the usual timeline. It's not that McIlwain doesn't have the right skill set. It's that Bentley's is a bit better and is more polished being the son of very good coach, running an offense he and his dad who is his coach officially now in college is familiar with. There very few QBs if any in the country that can come in as a freshman and hope to beat out even a freshman Jake Bentley the way we are set up.
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You don't usually become a good QB overnight going up against SEC defenses. It takes time. His time ran out halfway through the season. That is not the usual timeline. It's not that McIlwain doesn't have the right skill set. It's that Bentley's is a bit better and is more polished being the son of very good coach, running an offense he and his dad who is his coach officially now in college is familiar with. There very few QBs if any in the country that can come in as a freshman and hope to beat out even a freshman Jake Bentley the way we are set up.
Part of the problem is that McIlwain looked totally lost when he was in the game. It's one thing to look raw. Quite another to look lost.
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I'm guessing that Deebo spent some time in the Principal's Office after this article was published. As I remember, Champ is not fond of players talking to reporters about other players.
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Old Josh Kendall, baiting two players and then writing an entire article or two on the conjecture.

If there's a pot that needs stirring, just call Kendall.
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So, I put in my 2 cents in the original "bash" thread, but let me get this timeline straight...

- Kid gets into a argument with his position coach during 1st spring football practice.

- Skips football practice the next day at 9:00 am (not related to the 4pm baseball game later that day in Columbia--which he didn't see the field).

- Tells the FB/Baseball coaches he is transferring the following day.

- Does not tell any...ANY of his teammates on the baseball & football teams that he is bouncing and transferring (appears he kept silent).

- Drops his full load of spring semester classes (pre-paid for by a FB scholarship...a scholarship pretty directly tied to Gamecock Club member donations).

Anything short of Roper calling this kid a 'worthless SOB' or having a family/medical emergency does not...and frankly should not elicit one single bit of sympathy for a kid that showed no respect to his teammates and/or the university that was educating him during the middle of the semester.

I used the word 'quitter' in the other thread...which now seems more accurate on how everything went down.

You decide for yourself.

Thank you to Scarnecchia (and countless other USC QBs) who have either fought through injury, position changes, or just waited until your number was called on the depth chart...and stuck it out without packing up & going to look for the next place to buy into your false sense of self importance.

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That is the big thing.
McIllwain had a chance to be the starter, but did not produce.
Bentley ran the same offense and was able to put points on the boards...that is how it goes.....if you don't produce and the guy behind you does, you lose your spot.

That is the hardest thing for prospects to learn...in HS they were the big dog, the best player on the field...in college, everyone was the best player on the field....and it gets even harder at the NFL.
I Agree.

To put it bluntly, he needs to leave and go somewhere where he can earn a spot. Most Sophomores would be very grateful to be 2nd string and have playing time under his belt. I just think that he got to the point that he feels entitled (man back in the days, a long time ago when I played college ball, you did not have a public argument with the coach at practice), and if he feels that way, he needs to leave and go somewhere else where he can regroup and realize that he needs to earn his playing time.
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This thread is the typical Cockytalk bucket of BS, with posters speculating about an argument they know nothing of, bringing out their favorite axes to grind, and a few spewing their typical negativity toward any player, poster, or player's parent who looks to be within gunshot. The mods on here have to be pulling out their hair. I'll see some of you fans at the Spring game.
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Drops his full load of spring semester classes (pre-paid for by a FB scholarship...a scholarship pretty directly tied to Gamecock Club member donations).
I am curious about this, that is probably close to $20,000 in benefits (excluding all of the free clothes, training etc that come with a D 1 scholarship) do they have to pay it back?

Personally, they should pay back the cost of this semester.


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Dang it, smoove. I was poking fun at the nay-sayers.


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In McIlwain's defense, he played half a season and shared time with Orth (Orth got more snaps) and he had to put up with flux on the O Line (Stanley hurt on the first play of the season and then Camper going down, injuries to Knott and Helms) and almost no talent at the other skill positions - Deebo missed most of the first half, Edwards missed a game plus in the first half, Randrecous Davis had one good game before getting hurt and redshirting, Dowdle missed most of the first half.

So we get a little O Line stability, get Dowdle and Deebo healthy - and Bentley reaps the benefits. I like Bentley and he earned the right to be our starter, but understand how tough it was for McIlwain in the first half of the year - he would certainly have performed much better in the second half with more talent around him. And he would have done better against both Clemson and Florida (IMO) with his quicker release and scrambling ability.

This is a guy that dedicated himself to the university - as a student and playing two sports. It takes a tremendous amount of time effort. And you guys want him to pay back his tuition??

I admire his efforts and hard work - I hope he finds success somewhere.
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So, I put in my 2 cents in the original "bash" thread, but let me get this timeline straight...

- Kid gets into a argument with his position coach during 1st spring football practice.

- Skips football practice the next day at 9:00 am (not related to the 4pm baseball game later that day in Columbia--which he didn't see the field).

- Tells the FB/Baseball coaches he is transferring the following day.

- Does not tell any...ANY of his teammates on the baseball & football teams that he is bouncing and transferring (appears he kept silent).

- Drops his full load of spring semester classes (pre-paid for by a FB scholarship...a scholarship pretty directly tied to Gamecock Club member donations).

Anything short of Roper calling this kid a 'worthless SOB' or having a family/medical emergency does not...and frankly should not elicit one single bit of sympathy for a kid that showed no respect to his teammates and/or the university that was educating him during the middle of the semester.

I used the word 'quitter' in the other thread...which now seems more accurate on how everything went down.

You decide for yourself.

Thank you to Scarnecchia (and countless other USC QBs) who have either fought through injury, position changes, or just waited until your number was called on the depth chart...and stuck it out without packing up & going to look for the next place to buy into your false sense of self importance.

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You are going off of all speculation and hearsay. Maybe don't instead?
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This thread is the typical Cockytalk bucket of BS, with posters speculating about an argument they know nothing of, bringing out their favorite axes to grind, and a few spewing their typical negativity toward any player, poster, or player's parent who looks to be within gunshot. The mods on here have to be pulling out their hair. I'll see some of you fans at the Spring game.
Thank you. We probably don't get a guy like Henry because of our propensity for throwing our student athletes under the bus when things don't work out. It's disgusting.
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Thank you. We probably don't get a guy like Henry because of our propensity for throwing our student athletes under the bus when things don't work out. It's disgusting.
Agree. None of us really know what all went on. It is over who really cares how it went down. Time to move on. this may actually help clear the deck for a player like Joyner.
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....with posters speculating about an argument they know nothing of, bringing out their favorite axes to grind, and a few spewing their typical negativity toward any player, poster, or player's parent who looks to be within gunshot.....
Only thing missing is bashing former coaches who recruited the guy.
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