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Old 05-02-2018, 02:37 PM   #1
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Default Luginbill: Joyner could be special...but not at QB

Has long way to go as passer, but too athletic not to have ball in his hands. Compares him to Percy Harvin.

Id be ok with that.

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You linked the wrong article....

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Default Re: Luginbill: Joyner could be special...but not at QB

I want Joyner on the field early and often... if that means gadget plays or wild cat I'm all for it... if he falls behind Ulrich and Hilinksi.. slot wr would be fun to watch.
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Default Re: Luginbill: Joyner could be special...but not at QB

The coaches promised him an opportunity to play QB otherwise hed be at Clemson playing safety. I think Werner will help him a ton will it be enough to beat Hillinski in 2020? I dont know. I would enjoy using him as a scat back like Shon Carson was used.
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If there is anyone that can improve his throwing, its Dan Werner. You have to be patient with Joyner though because if the light bulb comes on, having a guy at Quarterback that can make the electrifying plays with his feet and produce through the air is kryptonite to almost every collegiate defense in the current rules landscape.
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I really don't understand all the new negativity around Dak as a QB. Is he the most polished passer to ever come out of HS? No. What he brings to the position is more than slinging the rock around. I think his toughest hurdle is his height. He looks like a very short 6'1 out there, but there's been successful QBs that were 6'1 before. It all depends on how he develops and progresses.

Connor Shaw wasn't the greatest passer in program history, but he was a masterful game manager. He rarely ever won us games, but he never cost us games. I would probably say that you could put on 1 hand how many games he won us with his arm. His attributes were his ball security, knowing where everyone was and if a play wasn't there he could dump is off, and he was just fast enough to pick up yards on the ground.

If Dak can mimic that, he can be a threat like no other on this roster. I'm perfectly fine too if he wants to move to a slot position to get the ball in his hands.

We all knew that he would be a project at QB when we recruited him, but that the reward far exceeded the risk. If he stays at QB and can improve his game management (and I only say that because it was clear in the spring game that the pace was amped up right now) and accuracy (which should automatically happen under Werner), I'm excited to see what type of packages we could put in place with him.
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I really don't understand all the new negativity around Dak as a QB. Is he the most polished passer to ever come out of HS? No. What he brings to the position is more than slinging the rock around. I think his toughest hurdle is his height. He looks like a very short 6'1 out there, but there's been successful QBs that were 6'1 before. It all depends on how he develops and progresses.

Connor Shaw wasn't the greatest passer in program history, but he was a masterful game manager. He rarely ever won us games, but he never cost us games. I would probably say that you could put on 1 hand how many games he won us with his arm. His attributes were his ball security, knowing where everyone was and if a play wasn't there he could dump is off, and he was just fast enough to pick up yards on the ground.

If Dak can mimic that, he can be a threat like no other on this roster. I'm perfectly fine too if he wants to move to a slot position to get the ball in his hands.

We all knew that he would be a project at QB when we recruited him, but that the reward far exceeded the risk. If he stays at QB and can improve his game management (and I only say that because it was clear in the spring game that the pace was amped up right now) and accuracy (which should automatically happen under Werner), I'm excited to see what type of packages we could put in place with him.
I don’t think there’s any negativity. He’s incredibly athletic, but everyone agreea he has a lot of work to do on his passing game. Considering that we have an established QB and a QB commit for 2019 who will probably come in as a better passer than Joyner, he has a limited window to prove his worth at QB. That said, if!you go back to Luginbill’s comparison to Percy Harvin, I’d take that in a heartbeat. Now, maybe he’ll grow by leaps and bounds this season. It’s certainly possible. If he’s not starter material by next season though, I’d switch positions if I were him. I’d much rather be on the field impacting the game with my athleticism than riding the bench waiting to get better at QB.

Edit: I couldn’t disagree more about Shaw. He was a fantastic QB. Memories get watered down with time. 2013 he had a 63% completion percentage, 24 tds and 1 int. Yes, he was also a great leader and excellent game manager, but it’s flat crazy to say he rarely won us games.
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Be cool if we let the guy get through his first summer before we write him off geez
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No need to overreact. Nobody has written him off.
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No need to overreact. Nobody has written him off.
Do your eyes and brain work? This thread title and article are absolutely writing him off as a QB. This is probably my favorite...

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I really don't understand all the new negativity around Dak as a QB. Is he the most polished passer to ever come out of HS? No. What he brings to the position is more than slinging the rock around. I think his toughest hurdle is his height. He looks like a very short 6'1 out there, but there's been successful QBs that were 6'1 before. It all depends on how he develops and progresses.

Connor Shaw wasn't the greatest passer in program history, but he was a masterful game manager. He rarely ever won us games, but he never cost us games. I would probably say that you could put on 1 hand how many games he won us with his arm. His attributes were his ball security, knowing where everyone was and if a play wasn't there he could dump is off, and he was just fast enough to pick up yards on the ground.

If Dak can mimic that, he can be a threat like no other on this roster. I'm perfectly fine too if he wants to move to a slot position to get the ball in his hands.

We all knew that he would be a project at QB when we recruited him, but that the reward far exceeded the risk. If he stays at QB and can improve his game management (and I only say that because it was clear in the spring game that the pace was amped up right now) and accuracy (which should automatically happen under Werner), I'm excited to see what type of packages we could put in place with him.
Agree completely about Connor Shaw. I couldn't believe he even got a shot at the pro level. He was relatively small with a below average arm. He did have an incredible ability to convert third downs (usually scrambling) and hit open receivers. He was also extremely efficient in the red zone.

Joyner is a QB. I haven't seen many players completely switch positions (no HS experience) and play SEC ball. I doubt he would be a starter anytime soon on defense.
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I really don't understand all the new negativity around Dak as a QB. Is he the most polished passer to ever come out of HS? No. What he brings to the position is more than slinging the rock around. I think his toughest hurdle is his height. He looks like a very short 6'1 out there, but there's been successful QBs that were 6'1 before. It all depends on how he develops and progresses.

Connor Shaw wasn't the greatest passer in program history, but he was a masterful game manager. He rarely ever won us games, but he never cost us games. I would probably say that you could put on 1 hand how many games he won us with his arm. His attributes were his ball security, knowing where everyone was and if a play wasn't there he could dump is off, and he was just fast enough to pick up yards on the ground.

If Dak can mimic that, he can be a threat like no other on this roster. I'm perfectly fine too if he wants to move to a slot position to get the ball in his hands.

We all knew that he would be a project at QB when we recruited him, but that the reward far exceeded the risk. If he stays at QB and can improve his game management (and I only say that because it was clear in the spring game that the pace was amped up right now) and accuracy (which should automatically happen under Werner), I'm excited to see what type of packages we could put in place with him.
I can't get passed the idea that Shaw was rarely the reason we won games.
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His ability to convert third downs with his feet kept the other team's offense off the field, and with our defense while he was playing that was often enough for the W. He certainly didn't win any with his arm, the fourth down throw to Ellington at Missouri the exception. He consistently, consistently underthrw the long ball and often lacked the confidence to let it go at anything past dump-off range.
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Yes he was. He is at the top of the list for passing efficiency, completion %, and TD-INT ratios. Wow!

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His ability to convert third downs with his feet kept the other team's offense off the field, and with our defense while he was playing that was often enough for the W. He certainly didn't win any with his arm, the fourth down throw to Ellington at Missouri the exception. He consistently, consistently underthrw the long ball and often lacked the confidence to let it go at anything past dump-off range.
That's BS. I can't believe some you people post this. Connor threw the most accurate long ball in Gamecock history.
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His ability to convert third downs with his feet kept the other team's offense off the field, and with our defense while he was playing that was often enough for the W. He certainly didn't win any with his arm, the fourth down throw to Ellington at Missouri the exception. He consistently, consistently underthrw the long ball and often lacked the confidence to let it go at anything past dump-off range.
This is simply not factual. He was brilliant with the post, square in, out, wheel route etc etc..
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Wow. This thread - like some forgot where the sun rises, went with "in the north", and then ran with it.
"Yep - always in the north...heading south."

Never (rarely) won games for us - just didn't lose them... E.O.D. maybe?

As for the 2013 Mizoo game? 20 of 29 passes for 201 yards and two touchdowns. He completed 14 of 18 for 168 yards and both touchdowns in the fourth quarter alone.
Yea...that's "except for that 4th down pass to Bruce"...not.
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Ok, I sure am glad I’m not alone in this Connor Shaw business. Nobody who says such ignorant things like he couldn’t throw the long ball and rarely won games for clearly never watched him play. Pure and utter uneducated ignorance.

As to Joyner, nobody has written him off for anything. But, let’s be honest, it’s not outside the team of possibility that he ends up playing something other than QB. It’s frankly a compliment to the young man to suggest that he’s athletic enough to do something else. And, let’s be honest, conversations like this one are inevitable given our QB situation. We have an entrenched starter and a commit who is more advanced as a passer as a junior in high school than Joyner is. Joyner has a narrow window. That said. This is all speculation and anything can happen. We all thought McIlwain was destined to be our savior. Joyner’s development could blow up this season. Hillinski could turn out to be a Willy Korn. You just don’t know.
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Personally, I hope that Joyner pro es everyone wrong and ends up being an elite QB that wins a Heisman and then goes to the NFL and is a starter.

We would be remise, however, to ignore that we had high hopes for Nunez and McIlwain and they never panned out.

You also have to look no further than Alabama to see what is happening with Hurst to understand that any player that tries to play QB, but isn't an elite passer, will likely be surpassed by someone else.

I'm rooting for this kid, but I can admit that I'm gunshy about predicting that he will live up to what we all hope/pray that he will be at the QB position.

This guy also seems to retreat Lamar Jackson a ton. Will either of them become an NFL QB? Maybe LJ will also prove us all wrong, but there is one thing that I think we can all agree on...... there is a place for LJ at some position in the NFL if he isn't too stubborn to take it. IF he doesn't make it as a QB ( a la Tebow) and refuses to change positions, how much $$$$$$ will he likely have missed out on?
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Connor Shaw wasn't the greatest passer in program history, but he was a masterful game manager. He rarely ever won us games, but he never cost us games. I would probably say that you could put on 1 hand how many games he won us with his arm. His attributes were his ball security, knowing where everyone was and if a play wasn't there he could dump is off, and he was just fast enough to pick up yards on the ground.

If Dak can mimic that, he can be a threat like no other on this roster. I'm perfectly fine too if he wants to move to a slot position to get the ball in his hands.

We all knew that he would be a project at QB when we recruited him, but that the reward far exceeded the risk. If he stays at QB and can improve his game management (and I only say that because it was clear in the spring game that the pace was amped up right now) and accuracy (which should automatically happen under Werner), I'm excited to see what type of packages we could put in place with him.
Well said. We got to give the kid a chance.
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