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Old 05-02-2018, 08:17 PM   #21
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His ability to convert third downs with his feet kept the other team's offense off the field, and with our defense while he was playing that was often enough for the W. He certainly didn't win any with his arm, the fourth down throw to Ellington at Missouri the exception. He consistently, consistently underthrw the long ball and often lacked the confidence to let it go at anything past dump-off range.
Wait... what!? You have to be high. Or never actually watched him play quarterback. He was ridiculously accurate and almost always threw to the best receiving option that the defense game him. His arm was a major part in many of the wins during those years. Crazytalk.
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Some folks have very short memories. Thanks for posting the vid tcmac08!
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1) Let Joyner learn under Werner for a season he just came to USC in January
2) C Shaw was extremely accurate with short to intermediate throws and did not throw the long ball because we usually were a conservative slow paced offense and he is the greatest QB to have played at USC.
3) Jake has the potential to be better than any QB we've had it'll be interesting to see if he's more comfortable in BMac's offense.
4) Let the Hillinski vs Joyner vs Urich battle play out just be glad we don't have to rely on a walk on any more no offense to Orth.
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His ability to convert third downs with his feet kept the other team's offense off the field, and with our defense while he was playing that was often enough for the W. He certainly didn't win any with his arm, the fourth down throw to Ellington at Missouri the exception. He consistently, consistently underthrw the long ball and often lacked the confidence to let it go at anything past dump-off range.
Take the time to listen to Todd and Tommy backing up
your statement about Shaw being a lousy passer in each
of these clips.

Terrible Pass


TERRIBLE PASS


God Awful Passing by this guy


Hard for me to understand how we won three 11 win
seasons in a row with a guy who constantly underthree
and overthrew the deep ball this badly


He did it all with his feet. .. passing skills were lousy


Notice in all these videos how Tommy Suggs and
Todd Ellis can't believe how terrible Shaw throws the
football




Notice How Bruce here had to lay out and make circus catch
on this vastly underthrown pass


This pass highlights just how poorly Shaw throws the deep ball
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I really don't understand all the new negativity around Dak as a QB. Is he the most polished passer to ever come out of HS? No. What he brings to the position is more than slinging the rock around. I think his toughest hurdle is his height. He looks like a very short 6'1 out there, but there's been successful QBs that were 6'1 before. It all depends on how he develops and progresses.

Connor Shaw wasn't the greatest passer in program history, but he was a masterful game manager. He rarely ever won us games, but he never cost us games. I would probably say that you could put on 1 hand how many games he won us with his arm. His attributes were his ball security, knowing where everyone was and if a play wasn't there he could dump is off, and he was just fast enough to pick up yards on the ground.

If Dak can mimic that, he can be a threat like no other on this roster. I'm perfectly fine too if he wants to move to a slot position to get the ball in his hands.

We all knew that he would be a project at QB when we recruited him, but that the reward far exceeded the risk. If he stays at QB and can improve his game management (and I only say that because it was clear in the spring game that the pace was amped up right now) and accuracy (which should automatically happen under Werner), I'm excited to see what type of packages we could put in place with him.
Perhaps Shaw’s greatest game was when he came in at Missouri when Dylan wasn’t playing well and won us that game in overtime in 2013.
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Perhaps Shaw’s greatest game was when he came in at Missouri when Dylan wasn’t playing well and won us that game in overtime in 2013.
That was probably the highlight of his career as a Gamecock if you look at it from a
Big Picture kind of thing. He only played one quarter and brought the team back from
a large deficit and from a game it looked like they were going to take a loss.

However, I think his best all around performance was the Clemson Game in 2011 AND
the Bowl game against Michigan in 2012. If you look at it from a Complete four quarters game
and his ability to consistently move the offense and put points on the board, and do it
through the air and ground together, those two games were the result of really good
field leadership from a QB.

On heart alone, the Vanderbilt game in 2012 takes that prize. He wasn't playing a
good game, and neither was the entire offense. He got hurt after a late hit on a play
and had to leave the game, but came back in the fourth quarter playing with some
obviously excruciating pain, and took the team on a drive where he scored the winning
TD. He missed the next couple of games due to that hit, but he bit the bullet to come
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Occasionally, it takes someone with credibility from outside the program to give an honest assessment about a player. Luginbill did just that with his statement on Joyner.

Disagree or not, you need see where he's coming from. The man knows fb.

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1) Let Joyner learn under Werner for a season he just came to USC in January
2) C Shaw was extremely accurate with short to intermediate throws and did not throw the long ball because we usually were a conservative slow paced offense and he is the greatest QB to have played at USC.
3) Jake has the potential to be better than any QB we've had it'll be interesting to see if he's more comfortable in BMac's offense.
4) Let the Hillinski vs Joyner vs Urich battle play out just be glad we don't have to rely on a walk on any more no offense to Orth.
Ding ding ding, we have a winner.

Anyone suggesting that Joyner should switch positions after his first spring on campus, as an EE, is insane. If he shows no signs of improvement after next Spring it is a different conversation, but currently it's at best 12 months too early. The reality is he won't agree to switch until after Bentley has left if he is beaten out, and he shouldn't switch unless that happens. The same people who were crowning Joyner and saying he would push Bentley for the starting job are now casting him aside saying Hillinski has the job sown up after Bentley leaves before he's even stepped on campus. How about the novel idea of stop assuming and let the players compete for the job when they're actually on campus?
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If Joyner can just be a serviceable passer he will be hard to handle. He has the instincts for the position and would dynamic..

Plus he is elite 11.
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I think he will end up as a player like Syvelle Newton. They are about the same size and have the same athleticism. Syvelle played everywhere including QB where he threw for over 1300 yards in 2006.
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Yes he was. He is at the top of the list for passing efficiency, completion %, and TD-INT ratios. Wow!
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That's BS. I can't believe some you people post this. Connor threw the most accurate long ball in Gamecock history.
This is 100% untrue. When Shaw took over for Garcia everyone said "Finally we will stop under throwing the long ball" but that never happened. Did he complete some long passes? Absolutely. But I would be willing to bet that Bentley has already completed more passes of 25 yards (in the air) than Shaw did.

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Wow. This thread - like some forgot where the sun rises, went with "in the north", and then ran with it.
"Yep - always in the north...heading south."

Never (rarely) won games for us - just didn't lose them... E.O.D. maybe?

As for the 2013 Mizoo game? 20 of 29 passes for 201 yards and two touchdowns. He completed 14 of 18 for 168 yards and both touchdowns in the fourth quarter alone.
Yea...that's "except for that 4th down pass to Bruce"...not.
You yourself are making your own point invalid. The Mizzu 4th quarter and OT (I mean lets give him full credit here) was possibly the best looking football I've ever seen from Garnet and Black. He also had a really great game against Clemson with the Alshon Tee-bag.

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Ok, I sure am glad I’m not alone in this Connor Shaw business. Nobody who says such ignorant things like he couldn’t throw the long ball and rarely won games for clearly never watched him play. Pure and utter uneducated ignorance.
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Wait... what!? You have to be high. Or never actually watched him play quarterback. He was ridiculously accurate and almost always threw to the best receiving option that the defense gave him. His arm was a major part in many of the wins during those years. Crazytalk.
You're again proving my point. He did exactly that, and that's what made him so great for our team, BUT a lot of times those were dump offs because he wouldn't let it rip.

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I can put together a highlight reel of Joyner's to prove that he should start in the NFL next season if you'd like. Of course Shaw made some great passes in his career.

Again, nobody here is saying that Connor Shaw wasn't a really good and even great QB. Nobody here is saying that he had a rubber arm and couldn't make a throw to save his life. I do however remember a lot of grumblings on here when he was the QB because we'd see receivers wide open down field and you could physically watch Shaw look them off and not sling the ball. He had phenomenal stats and led this team to success that we've never seen before, but he did so being smart, not slinging the ball all over the yard.

All I'm saying is that Shaw's arm wasn't his greatest attribute as a QB, and if we could mold Joyner to mimic that style of play, then he could be extremely dangerous.
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That was probably the highlight of his career as a Gamecock if you look at it from a
Big Picture kind of thing. He only played one quarter and brought the team back from
a large deficit and from a game it looked like they were going to take a loss.

However, I think his best all around performance was the Clemson Game in 2011 AND
the Bowl game against Michigan in 2012. If you look at it from a Complete four quarters game
and his ability to consistently move the offense and put points on the board, and do it
through the air and ground together, those two games were the result of really good
field leadership from a QB.

On heart alone, the Vanderbilt game in 2012 takes that prize. He wasn't playing a
good game, and neither was the entire offense. He got hurt after a late hit on a play
and had to leave the game, but came back in the fourth quarter playing with some
obviously excruciating pain, and took the team on a drive where he scored the winning
TD. He missed the next couple of games due to that hit, but he bit the bullet to come
back on the field and eventually led the offense on a Game winning drive.
I agree 100% with this and your other post with the video highlights. Connor Shaw was not the greatest passer in terms of mechanics. Dylan had better form and probably a stronger arm. But Connor had moxie, guts and instincts that QBs with better style wish they had. And his arm strength was plenty good as the videos show.

And despite what someone else said, we DID throw long quite a bit with Connor at QB. He had a knack for getting the ball to the spot where only our receiver could catch it. He rarely threw an INT.

If Joyner is like him it is going to be a lot of fun to watch. Newton could have been that good at QB but for his knee injury.
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I think he will end up as a player like Syvelle Newton. They are about the same size and have the same athleticism. Syvelle played everywhere including QB where he threw for over 1300 yards in 2006.
i think he is a step above newton in ability. though, i see your point.
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Yes he was. He is at the top of the list for passing efficiency, completion %, and TD-INT ratios. Wow!

I'm not sure what the hell these guys are drinking. Connor was a great Passer here and always won us games. These fools needs some ginko
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Getting back to the premise of this thread, IMHO Joyner has this year and next spring to become the qb that Champ wants to see. If he improves his passing to the point of being the better qb, then we have Bentley for his sr year, Joyner as a viable back up and Hillinski as the incoming fr. Then it becomes, who is the better option. If Joyner is the first option it would be his 3rd year and he would draft eligible. Hillinski would be a 2nd year player and could compete for the starting position. Let's just sit back and enjoy having a great qb competition instead worrying if Jake gets hurt how will we survive.
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This is 100% untrue. When Shaw took over for Garcia everyone said "Finally we will stop under throwing the long ball" but that never happened. .
Dude, really? No, not everyone said "Finally we will stop under throwing the long ball". Where did you get that from?
You do realize that lots of underthrown balls result in INTs? You having Todd Ellis flashbacks?
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But I would be willing to bet that Bentley has already completed more passes of 25 yards (in the air) than Shaw did.
Place your bets at your own risk.
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I'm going to agree with Cack here, you guys are WAY over stating Connors ability to throw the football. He had one season...ONE where he threw for 2000 yards which included the bowl game for the 2013 season, never threw for 2500 never sniffed 3000.

I get the old adage that he's a winner and that's all that matters. I'm not saying I disagree, but he wasn't a dominant passer of the football. He used football IQ and his ability to run to help him be a smart and successful QB.

You guys are jumping on Cack far to severely because he won football games. There's a reason he didn't play on Sundays. He doesn't throw the ball particularly great, and guess what? Us saying that doesn't kill him or tarnish his legacy.
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I'm not sure what the hell these guys are drinking. Connor was a great Passer here and always won us games. These fools needs some ginko
Connor developed into a pretty good passer by his Jr./Sr. season. Don't forget all of the sub 100 yard passing games he had when he took over the starting job as a Sophomore. Those games were hard to watch even though we won a lot of them.
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Connor developed into a pretty good passer by his Jr./Sr. season. Don't forget all of the sub 100 yard passing games he had when he took over the starting job as a Sophomore. Those games were hard to watch even though we won a lot of them.
He was almost surgical his senior year. He didn't throw it a ton and he didn't need to. He definitely progressed during his 4 years and by his senior year he was damn near rock solid with ball safety, decision making and timing. Connor was never a sling it all over the field guy, but he is a perfect example of what hard work can do for a guy with less than ideal measurable's
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