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Old 05-17-2018, 09:36 AM   #181
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He HATED Clemson = statement of fact. That wasn't the reason for the unconditional release.
Probably isn't a coincidence that he was considered a "gamecock lock" (before committing to Clemson) and now rumored as having not liked Clemson. Now you see him liking every gamecock tweet. Sounds like he's back home at USC where he should be.

Hope everything with his family is ok.
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That's what the lawyer is for, he helped Belk force Clemson's hand. Clemson had 2 choices in this situation, unconditional release or a PR cluster**** with an instate kid. They went with the unconditional release because it was the smart call for them in comparison with the other choice.
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No matter how you spin it, being allowed to leave Clemons to go to USC is probably the greatest gift one can give.
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Nobody here knows the details, but I sure hope his lawyer didn’t fabricate or exaggerate a health situation in the family. I know were all glad because it’s a recruit we desperately wanted and who spurned us for Clemson. But, rules are rules. Dabo was well within his rights not to grant an unconditional release. You think there’s a chance in heck Champ would allow one of our top incoming players to just transfer to Clemson? No freaking way.

If the situation is legit, that’s one thing. But if he truly did have to get a lawyer involved, it seems it wasn’t straightforward. There’s no way Dabo would have restricted the kid if he had a family member who was truly that sick. Nope.

That said, IF his mom is truly in that poor health, it could make the NCAA look pretty bad not to grant him a waiver.
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lol I'm sure you did
Yeah. I did. Posting it here would only throw gasoline on the fire though, and I'm not going to do that for the sake of speculation.

It's nothing Belk did though, to be clear. I'm glad he's getting out of the situation he was in. And IF what I heard is true, then even better for him to be removed from it all.
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There's is more to this story. How many transfer players do you know that have announced their release via an Attorney?

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My thinking is that if someone doesn't want to do something or be somewhere, be it work, school or wherever, then they should get out. They are only hindering those around them.
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Would it be some type of violation to "recruit" a kid that is enrolled at another school? I'm willing to bet someone on USC's staff was talking with him....
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Man, I just feel bad for the kid. I can't imagine how completely unimportant football must be to him right now. Prayers to him and his family.
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I feel the same way.
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Yeah. I did. Posting it here would only throw gasoline on the fire though, and I'm not going to do that for the sake of speculation.

It's nothing Belk did though, to be clear. I'm glad he's getting out of the situation he was in. And IF what I heard is true, then even better for him to be removed from it all.
Yea but dabo is the good guy here, fuq outta here
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This is not accurate. A hardship waiver relates to the restriction on five years of eligibility. See NCAA Rule 12.8.4.3.

People mix up all these things all the time, but they are very different.

1) Eligibility: This means you are allowed to play sports in the year. If you transfer, you generally are not eligible to play unless an exception applies. The one-time transfer exception doesn't apply to football, and none of other exceptions appear to apply to Belk. So he's not eligible for inter-collegiate play until 2019 season.

2) Financial aid. For a transfer, the second school (us in this case) can only give financial aid the first year if the first school (Clemson here) grants the student a release. So Belk could get a scholarship here.

3) Five-year rule. In general, a student has five years to play four seasons. Under VERY limited circumstances, a "hardship waiver" can be given to grant a sixth year of eligibility. The hardship waiver does not apply to students that haven't already completed five years, it's a completely different thing.
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Doesn’t apply to him. He has to sit out a year.

I believe the only exception is family hardship, which the NCAA doesn’t want to grant regularly. I believe Corey Helms tried using family hardship when he transferred here, but was either turned down or stalled until he had to redshirt.
That's the way I read the transfer rule too. He can be on scholarship, but he cannot play until 2019.

I may have missed it, but I did not see any kind of hardship exemption for football players which would allow them to transfer and be eligible to play right away. The "first transfer rule" does not apply to football players, and the other listed exemptions do not apply in this case. The fact that his mother is ill is irrelevant to his eligibility to play right away.

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Nobody here knows the details, but I sure hope his lawyer didn’t fabricate or exaggerate a health situation in the family. I know were all glad because it’s a recruit we desperately wanted and who spurned us for Clemson. But, rules are rules. Dabo was well within his rights not to grant an unconditional release. You think there’s a chance in heck Champ would allow one of our top incoming players to just transfer to Clemson? No freaking way.

If the situation is legit, that’s one thing. But if he truly did have to get a lawyer involved, it seems it wasn’t straightforward. There’s no way Dabo would have restricted the kid if he had a family member who was truly that sick. Nope.

That said, IF his mom is truly in that poor health, it could make the NCAA look pretty bad not to grant him a waiver.
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Hes such a good family guy that it took a lawyer to get him to release Belk...
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My thinking is that if someone doesn't want to do something or be somewhere, be it work, school or wherever, then they should get out. They are only hindering those around them.
I don't think that is what happened. I think he got to campus and didn't like it and probably reached out to some 3rd parties about what to do. If he initiated the process and contacted SC indirectly about a transfer it shouldn't be a violation.

Edit: Sorry, I quoted the wrong post. I meant to reply to TakeEM's post above. (#189)
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My thinking is that if someone doesn't want to do something or be somewhere, be it work, school or wherever, then they should get out. They are only hindering those around them.
That's how I feel and would feel even if this dude was at USC. Why would you want someone on your team who's not committed to you? Who wants to be anywhere else?

And I also think the loophole b.s. of using financial aid money as ploy to keep kids from going to certain schools is not only garbage but is clearly discriminatory. If you're poor or can't afford the student loans to redshirt a year at the college you want to be but the next guy who has money can, then it's a pretty clear punitive method by universities.

Finally, I don't mean this to sound callous and I hope that his family is fine, but that's a side issue to me. It may have forced Dabo's hand, but that shouldn't have to be the case. To me, it doesn't matter if Belk hated Clemson or his mother is sick or he has girl problems--he wants to transfer he should be clear to transfer anywhere and accept the NCAA penalty, not the extra punishment from the original school.

And I would say the same thing about a dude from USC. Would I think he's a complete traitor? Yes. But it doesn't mean he shouldn't have the option to be one.

As far as the lawyer, it doesn't mean anything more to me than Belk and his family are intelligent and realize this requires careful maneuvering and support. It's a multimillion dollar business on the backs of 18-22 year old kids who have no representation--you'd be a fool not to have a personal lawyer.
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Nobody here knows the details, but I sure hope his lawyer didnít fabricate or exaggerate a health situation in the family. I know were all glad because itís a recruit we desperately wanted and who spurned us for Clemson. But, rules are rules. Dabo was well within his rights not to grant an unconditional release. You think thereís a chance in heck Champ would allow one of our top incoming players to just transfer to Clemson? No freaking way.

If the situation is legit, thatís one thing. But if he truly did have to get a lawyer involved, it seems it wasnít straightforward. Thereís no way Dabo would have restricted the kid if he had a family member who was truly that sick. Nope.

That said, IF his mom is truly in that poor health, it could make the NCAA look pretty bad not to grant him a waiver.
No coach can block a player from transferring, the most they can do is block them from receiving a scholarship for a year.
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Longer term this might help SC with future in-state recruits who might stop and think rather than jump as soon as they are offered by Clemson.

I'm really liking our position long term with Muschamp as our coach. He is the real deal.
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Hes such a good family guy that it took a lawyer to get him to release Belk...
A kid they bribed to come to their school to begin with. Anyone who falls for his shtick needs their head checked
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Hopefully when the dust settles and his release is fully complete, this young man will be wearing Garnet and Black!!!!


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