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Old 11-06-2018, 10:52 AM   #121
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So I'm guessing they think he cheated.
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How do you even "review" if somebody cheated? They can't force him to retake the test and if they didn't catch him in the act, it's pretty difficult to do anything about it. This agency is holding up a kid's academic and athletic career over this?
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How do you even "review" if somebody cheated? They can't force him to retake the test and if they didn't catch him in the act, it's pretty difficult to do anything about it. This agency is holding up a kid's academic and athletic career over this?
Yep. And they are taking their sweet time reviewing it too.
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How do you even "review" if somebody cheated? They can't force him to retake the test and if they didn't catch him in the act, it's pretty difficult to do anything about it. This agency is holding up a kid's academic and athletic career over this?
All they can do is look over the test itself and talk to other test takers and the proctor. They could do that in a week or less.
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All they can do is look over the test itself and talk to other test takers and the proctor. They could do that in a week or less.
Well it's November, and they must have started that in August. So the whole thing seems ridiculous to me. I know you agree, but I just felt like saying it, lol.
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They probably think he cheated. But since they have no proof, they have decided to delay a decision as their way of punishing him for something they think he did, but can't prove.
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They probably think he cheated. But since they have no proof, they have decided to delay a decision as their way of punishing him for something they think he did, but can't prove.
Not sure if you were being sarcastic but if that is what they are doing that is just wrong.
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Well it's November, and they must have started that in August. So the whole thing seems ridiculous to me. I know you agree, but I just felt like saying it, lol.
I took the SAT twice. I improved my score by 160 points the second time mainly because I was recovering from the flu the first time I took it and because I took more practice tests. Nobody flagged my score. (This was in 1971. LoL)
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The only entities that review the validity of test scores are the testing services themselves, the College Board and ACT.

They can be asked to review the scores by the NCAA Clearing House or by individual universities. Or they can decide to review the scores on their own initiative.

there is no 'college agency' that reviews the test scores of every entering college freshman.

I believe Cloninger is trying to report something I've seen elsewhere, which is that USC has adopted a policy of flagging test scores for every student, athlete or not, who run afoul of certain criteria.

USC likely has this policy because the NCAA will hold the University accountable in the event that a test score is later invalidated. this will include forfeited games, but can also include the NCAA demanding that the University return revenue from NCAA events.

Memphis forfeited a season because Derek Rose's test score was invalidated. They were also required to return money to the NCAA that they received by virtue of the postseason participation.
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How do you even "review" if somebody cheated? They can't force him to retake the test and if they didn't catch him in the act, it's pretty difficult to do anything about it. This agency is holding up a kid's academic and athletic career over this?

The testing service has methods they use, which includes investigation of the documentation from the test site, comparison of the responses to surrounding test takers, handwriting analysis and an opportunity of the student to present an explanation for why the score would have increased.
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Old 11-09-2018, 04:32 PM   #131
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The only entities that review the validity of test scores are the testing services themselves, the College Board and ACT.

They can be asked to review the scores by the NCAA Clearing House or by individual universities. Or they can decide to review the scores on their own initiative.

there is no 'college agency' that reviews the test scores of every entering college freshman.

I believe Cloninger is trying to report something I've seen elsewhere, which is that USC has adopted a policy of flagging test scores for every student, athlete or not, who run afoul of certain criteria.

USC likely has this policy because the NCAA will hold the University accountable in the event that a test score is later invalidated. this will include forfeited games, but can also include the NCAA demanding that the University return revenue from NCAA events.

Memphis forfeited a season because Derek Rose's test score was invalidated. They were also required to return money to the NCAA that they received by virtue of the postseason participation.
I agree with you on this: I know of no 3rd-party review entity that reviews all prospective college student's academic qualifying data (grades, test scores) in order to determine that they qualify for a specific institution, autonomously. I do not think that would be legal, to be more to the point.

For ANY entity to review this data, it would have to be done so at the charge of either the NCAA or an individual institution, as an approved "agent" of either source. And for that to happen, to say that Couisnard's situation is NOT the NCAA nor USC is a bit too disingenuous.

I'm thinking that the NCAA's Clearinghouse - now officially called the "Eligibility Center" by the NCAA these days - cleared Couisnard, but USC's admissions has flagged it and has sent it to this 3rd-party entity to follow up on it. So yes it IS in fact, USC that is holding this up......
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Old 11-10-2018, 11:10 AM   #132
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I agree with you on this: I know of no 3rd-party review entity that reviews all prospective college student's academic qualifying data (grades, test scores) in order to determine that they qualify for a specific institution, autonomously. I do not think that would be legal, to be more to the point.

For ANY entity to review this data, it would have to be done so at the charge of either the NCAA or an individual institution, as an approved "agent" of either source. And for that to happen, to say that Couisnard's situation is NOT the NCAA nor USC is a bit too disingenuous.

I'm thinking that the NCAA's Clearinghouse - now officially called the "Eligibility Center" by the NCAA these days - cleared Couisnard, but USC's admissions has flagged it and has sent it to this 3rd-party entity to follow up on it. So yes it IS in fact, USC that is holding this up......
The subcontractor that handles the SAT testing is ETS. They would be the ones who would review his test results. I imagine the ACT has a similar arrangement. There is a .pdf online you can read that explains how it works and how the review of test results work. But basically, it is as VBCock posted above. They also have video cameras in some testing facilities. (not all)
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I seriously doubt the kid plays this season, so whats the point in arguing about it anymore.
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Old 11-10-2018, 11:18 AM   #134
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I seriously doubt the kid plays this season, so whats the point in arguing about it anymore.
I'm beginning to doubt that as well. If he is not playing by January 1st he will not play this year.
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I'm beginning to doubt that as well. If he is not playing by January 1st he will not play this year.
he will not play. This review board will not find anything but they will make him sit a whole year as punishment for"cheating". Which of course they just know he did but cant prove it. Same situation with NCAA and Bowen. Couisnard will redshirt and begin his career next season.
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This is getting ridiculous.
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This is getting ridiculous.
I agree. There has to be more to this than a test score.

Usually it means politics are involved.
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Any chance someone higher up at Carolina doesn't really want Martin to be successful, & asked for any minor recruiting issues (like Couisnard's) to be flagged? Sounds like a conspiracy theory, but I legitimately can't figure out any good reason why we would do this to ourselves otherwise.
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I don’t think there’s a conspiracy, I just think whatever it is can’t be publicly discussed.
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