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Old 12-22-2016, 09:46 AM   #1
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Until this University adopts this attitude, as so many of our competitors have, we will wallow in mediocrity. Simple as that. We need to play the game as dirty as everyone else does or we will always suck.
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Again, get over yourself.
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Again, get over yourself.
Than learn to be happy with 6-6 EVERY year.
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Old 12-22-2016, 09:51 AM   #4
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Than learn to be happy with 6-6 EVERY year.
Go root for a team that isn't 6-6 every year. It's literally that simple. No matter what you want, there's a program out there for you. Clearly this program isn't it for you.
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Go root for a team that isn't 6-6 every year. It's literally that simple. No matter what you want, there's a program out there for you. Clearly this program isn't it for you.
CockyDevil, you are part of the problem. Another complacent fan just happy to have a team to root for. Well, f*ck all that. This fan is sick to death of mediocrity and an administration and fanbase that are not committed enough to winning.
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Who says they aren't already?
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Old 12-22-2016, 09:59 AM   #7
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CockyDevil, you are part of the problem. Another complacent fan just happy to have a team to root for. Well, f*ck all that. This fan is sick to death of mediocrity and an administration and fanbase that are not committed enough to winning.
THEN DON'T ROOT FOR THEM! I'm not your problem. Go be your own man and find what's right for you. If you don't like your house, you move. If you don't like your job, find another. Nobody likes a whiner. The door is right there. You can switch out today at absolutely no charge. It's the offer of a lifetime. Take it!
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:40 AM   #8
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THEN DON'T ROOT FOR THEM! I'm not your problem. Go be your own man and find what's right for you. If you don't like your house, you move. If you don't like your job, find another. Nobody likes a whiner. The door is right there. You can switch out today at absolutely no charge. It's the offer of a lifetime. Take it!
Remember that he has been a fan for 50+ years and just can't pull for anyone else. At least that is what he said in his last thread.
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Maybe not at all costs but we accept being mediocre was to easily. The attitude of the "true fans" its ok we got a participation trophy though right??
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Maybe not at all costs but we accept being mediocre was to easily. The attitude of the "true fans" its ok we got a participation trophy though right??
Your attitude is irrelevant. We do nothing. Lackluster fanbases win big all the time. Some of the perpetually losingest (sic) programs also have rabid fanbases. How you feel about wins and losses is an individual choice that has no bearing on outcomes.
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:48 AM   #11
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Your attitude is irrelevant. We do nothing. Lackluster fanbases win big all the time. Some of the perpetually losingest (sic) programs also have rabid fanbases. How you feel about wins and losses is an individual choice that has no bearing on outcomes.


But accepting being mediocre keeps you mediocre.
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So is OP saying that we will become an undefeated program if we simply say "We are not complacent"? Ok, here goes. We are not complacent. There you go. We will now be undefeated next season.
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good thing you started a new thread about this.

Again, "win at all costs" creates a great culture of sexual abuse, cover ups, scandal, infractions, ...

That what you want, all in the name of "so you can be happy with a win".
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Old 12-22-2016, 10:56 AM   #14
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But accepting being mediocre keeps you mediocre.
It doesn't. Your and my attitudes are completely irrelevant to anybody but ourselves.
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It doesn't. Your and my attitudes are completely irrelevant to anybody but ourselves.


The attitude of fans and donors can affect a program. Quit giving until things changed. That's what happened at clemson a few years ago.
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Are you a donor?
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:09 AM   #17
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Who is accepting mediocrity? If you look through this forum, you will see a lot of people who are pretty upset at a lot of things that they shouldn't be upset about. It actually kind of seems like most are demanding perfection.

The school is willing to put the money where it needs to be put. Muschamp is recruiting well and more importantly, he's getting the Athletic Department used to the idea of investing more money in the recruiting process.

So I really don't see us aiming for 6-6 every year. However, I do see a lot of fans who do realize where our limitations are and understand that the road to being a Top 5/10 team is a long one. We have to be willing to set goals along the way. Some will be not so glamorous right now. That's just the state of the program.
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Who is accepting mediocrity? If you look through this forum, you will see a lot of people who are pretty upset at a lot of things that they shouldn't be upset about. It actually kind of seems like most are demanding perfection.

The school is willing to put the money where it needs to be put. Muschamp is recruiting well and more importantly, he's getting the Athletic Department used to the idea of investing more money in the recruiting process.

So I really don't see us aiming for 6-6 every year. However, I do see a lot of fans who do realize where our limitations are and understand that the road to being a Top 5/10 team is a long one. We have to be willing to set goals along the way. Some will be not so glamorous right now. That's just the state of the program.
A lot of the people around here seem to be accepting mediocrity, as far as football is concerned. It almost seems to be the consensus that a six win season is excellent. And we're what? Two years removed from three 11 win seasons.

It also doesn't help that it seems that we can only blame certain players/coaches for our mediocrity.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:29 AM   #19
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OP, do you have a lot of money? I only ask because if so you could become a booster and donate tons of money and maybe help to get a cam newton type of player by paying their dad a couple hundred grand? I say take it into your own hands my friend.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:33 AM   #20
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Outside of just breaking rules (so you can be a hypocrite about complaining about other schools) what do you think the school needs to do? I get people don't like the Muschamp hire (I wasn't enameled by it but in the end I liked the staff he put together except for one another spot) but he was kind of who we were stuck with. We all know despite the official stance of the school he was no higher than option and 1-3 walked away and I really don't think money was the issue.

In regards to the fan base I do think there is an intereting mix here. There are some that really want to see a top notch program but there are others that just like to show up and hang out for a few hours before the game and cut out before the forth quarter so they can head home. Unfortunately when you're asking for the big money donors to take a stand many of them are in group 2. Winning or losing doesn't impact their tailgate and that is really their focal point. I don't see that changing so expecting a revolution there is a wasted endeavor.
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