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Old 12-22-2016, 11:34 AM   #21
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And yes there are way too many that accept mediocrity. I imagine they are the same fans who clapped when we lost to Auburn in 2006. Anyone happy with 6 wins when their rival an hour north is winning at the level of Alabama and Ohio state is defining the phrase "accepting mediocrity"
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:36 AM   #22
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:42 AM   #23
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Who is accepting mediocrity? If you look through this forum, you will see a lot of people who are pretty upset at a lot of things that they shouldn't be upset about. It actually kind of seems like most are demanding perfection.

The school is willing to put the money where it needs to be put. Muschamp is recruiting well and more importantly, he's getting the Athletic Department used to the idea of investing more money in the recruiting process.

So I really don't see us aiming for 6-6 every year. However, I do see a lot of fans who do realize where our limitations are and understand that the road to being a Top 5/10 team is a long one. We have to be willing to set goals along the way. Some will be not so glamorous right now. That's just the state of the program.
Sadly that's a hard pill for most of these people to swallow. They want it now without having to put in the work. They need to remember that life isn't fair and you just have to play the cards you're dealt. Again, if this isn't good enough for them they should go root for teams with history and championships.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:42 AM   #24
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Let me put it as bluntly as possible. Not speaking to Rooster directly but people in general that have been miserable.

There is nothing that you, me, or any other fan can do to speed up the process to make USC elite. You can't change who is sitting in the seats of power that make the decision to suspend players or handle issues. All you can do is scream on a message board that you will not renew your GCC membership, or that you'll not go to games, and you'll let your wallet speak but we all know that is a bunch of BS. You are as invested into this program as the rest of us. The only people that can move the needle are the school president, athletic director, board of trustees, and a few select boosters. Everyone else is at the mercy of the program. So if you are unhappy, then get over it or find a new team. Years are roller coasters. They have highs and lows. It happens every year and every year there are folks that are surprised when something doesn't quite meet their expectations.

We are not accepting mediocrity. Not even close. USC is continuously pumping loads of money into its programs and facilities. They are making an effort to move USC into the upper level. But its a process. It took Clemson, what, 7 years to finally break through on the national scene? Including gritting their teeth while we beat their ass for 5 years in a row? Little did we know that they were fine tuning a machine in the background and now they are reaping the benefits. USC is in the same spot right now. In football, Coach Muschamp has brought the USC football program to the modern ages with program structure and recruiting. He has a game changing football ops building falling into his lap in 2 years. Everything is there for him and he has shown that he will work himself like a dog to get things fixed. You want to be run like Alabama? Well Muschamp is putting the resources in place to make that happen.

So I know you're tired of hearing it but be patient. USC is going in the right direction whether you choose to see and/or believe it.
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Old 12-22-2016, 11:56 AM   #25
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So OP - You are suggesting we lie, cheat and steal our way to the top. Like Clemson did in '81?

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Old 12-22-2016, 11:56 AM   #26
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Let me put it as bluntly as possible. Not speaking to Rooster directly but people in general that have been miserable.

There is nothing that you, me, or any other fan can do to speed up the process to make USC elite. You can't change who is sitting in the seats of power that make the decision to suspend players or handle issues. All you can do is scream on a message board that you will not renew your GCC membership, or that you'll not go to games, and you'll let your wallet speak but we all know that is a bunch of BS. You are as invested into this program as the rest of us. The only people that can move the needle is the school president, athletic director, board of trustees, and a few select boosters. Everyone else is at the mercy of the program. So if you are unhappy, then get over it or find a new team. Years are roller coasters. They have highs and lows. It happens every year and every year there are folks that are surprised when something doesn't quite meet their expectations.

We are not accepting mediocrity. Not even close. USC is continuously pumping loads of money into its programs and facilities. They are making an effort to move USC into the upper level. But its a process. It took Clemson, what, 7 years to finally break through on the national scene? Including gritting their teeth while we beat their ass for 5 years in a row? Little did we know that they were fine tuning a machine in the background and now they are reaping the benefits. USC is in the same spot right now. In football, Coach Muschamp has brought the USC football program to the modern ages with program structure and recruiting. He has a game changing football ops building falling into his lap in 2 years. Everything is there for him and he has shown that he will work himself like a dog to get things fixed. You want to be run like Alabama? Well Muschamp is putting the resources in place to make that happen.

So I know you're tired of hearing it but be patient. USC is going in the right direction whether you choose to see and/or believe it.


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Old 12-22-2016, 12:03 PM   #27
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No but he does have two national championship trophies he won for us in baseball.
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So OP - You are suggesting we lie, cheat and steal our way to the top. Like Clemson did in '81?

No thanks.
But but but Clemson is elite!!!! We should copy everything they do!!!!
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No but he does have two national championship trophies he won for us in baseball.


No one said he wasn't a good baseball coach.
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No one said he wasn't a good baseball coach.
Dude you know exactly what I mean. He's as dedicated to winning now as he was when he won us those trophies.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:08 PM   #31
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Boosters meddling in athletic program affairs nearly universally ends well. It's science.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:18 PM   #32
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A lot of the people around here seem to be accepting mediocrity, as far as football is concerned. It almost seems to be the consensus that a six win season is excellent. And we're what? Two years removed from three 11 win seasons.

It also doesn't help that it seems that we can only blame certain players/coaches for our mediocrity.
This statement is so misguided. It's not that A six win season is excellent, it's that OUR TEAM went 6-6 when the lack of talent and experience across the board should've meant no more than 3-4 wins this year. So yeah, we enjoy being spoiled with a 13th game on the schedule when we have no business being there in the first place.

We're nowhere close to a good team and 6-6 is not a good record, but for our team and circumstances they were given this year, I think it's a damn fine start to the Muschamp era. And I'm going to lose my shit on anyone that complains when we go 7-5 or 8-4 next year.

Too many people live in the now these days. They want results ASAP and rightfully so, but demanding them immediately only to do no actual work towards achieving them other than throwing buckets of cash at coaches is pretty irrational.
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Get some perspective man. Its a University.
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Sadly that's a hard pill for most of these people to swallow. They want it now without having to put in the work. They need to remember that life isn't fair and you just have to play the cards you're dealt. Again, if this isn't good enough for them they should go root for teams with history and championships.
QFT.

F'in ridiculous that people think complaining more = better results for everyone. I guess that's what this 2016 age has brought us - not happy with the way things are in life? Complain, complain, complain, maybe loot some stores, then complain some more.
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Dude you know exactly what I mean. He's as dedicated to winning now as he was when he won us those trophies.


I don't see any proof of that.
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The attitude of fans and donors can affect a program. Quit giving until things changed. That's what happened at clemson a few years ago.
False .. they actually started giving more
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Not accepting mediocrity and winning at all cost are not mutually exclusive
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Is this real life?
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