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If Deebo and Hurst have similar years next year as they did this year, they're gone.
Exactly. I feel about 90% they are both gone.
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Until we get our lineS right, none of this will matter.
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It looks good on paper and at times had flashes during the season, but I'm going to wait until after a game or two to get too giddy about the offensive skill positions.
Hayden Hurst is a first round or second round NFL talent at TE. No doubt. Bryan Edwards is a beast of a WR, just still young. Having Deebo, he is NFL talent. Davis at WR has the potential also. Having Dowdle in the backfield, if he can improve his stats this year he is draftable, and having T Williams also is a given although he is a little unproven at this point. Just looking at his stats at NC kind of says that.
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Until we get our lineS right, none of this will matter.
With Elliot gone, our O line seems to be on the right path. The D line is what has me worried, we have zero pass rushers on campus at the moment.
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Hayden Hurst is a first round or second round NFL talent at TE. No doubt. Bryan Edwards is a beast of a WR, just still young. Having Deebo, he is NFL talent. Davis at WR has the potential also. Having Dowdle in the backfield, if he can improve his stats this year he is draftable, and having T Williams also is a given although he is a little unproven at this point. Just looking at his stats at NC kind of says that.
Remember the 3 yr graduation class year. Effectively, the plater must be a rising senior or that age (hence Hurst's and Samuel's eligibility). Edwards and Dowdle have an additional year to wait. Remember the folks who touted Clowney sitting out of football after his soph year, but he wanted to play.
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Hayden Hurst is a first round or second round NFL talent at TE. No doubt. Bryan Edwards is a beast of a WR, just still young. Having Deebo, he is NFL talent. Davis at WR has the potential also. Having Dowdle in the backfield, if he can improve his stats this year he is draftable, and having T Williams also is a given although he is a little unproven at this point. Just looking at his stats at NC kind of says that.
Hurst as a 1st or 2nd rounder? I like the guy, and I hope so, but I haven't seen that yet. Weak blocker and had some inopportune drops.
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I'm extremely excited to see Randrecous Davis play. He's fast-twitch and can burn.
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Hurst as a 1st or 2nd rounder? I like the guy, and I hope so, but I haven't seen that yet.
Especially if none of the teams draft a TE in the first 2 rds. Hayden has a lot of work to do (and I'm sure he doesn't need any of us telling him that).
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Hayden Hurst is a first round or second round NFL talent at TE. No doubt. Bryan Edwards is a beast of a WR, just still young. Having Deebo, he is NFL talent. Davis at WR has the potential also. Having Dowdle in the backfield, if he can improve his stats this year he is draftable, and having T Williams also is a given although he is a little unproven at this point. Just looking at his stats at NC kind of says that.
Just curious, have you read any evaluations of guys hoping to get an NFL shot at those positions?

Let's start at TE. Hurst is an athletic guy, and a hard worker. That's not enough to guarantee getting you drafted as late as a TE, much less 1st or 2nd round. Lot of teams won't have a need for a TE, and the ones that do won't have to draft early. For Hurst to have a shot at 1st or 2nd round he'll have to be one of the top 5 TE's in the country, and even that may not get him picked high.

He's had 1 full season playing TE. Not only does he have to improve his route running, he has to improve his blocking. That's not a slam at him, simply reality...the guy went from playing minor league baseball to walking on at a SEC program....there's a lot he has to learn.

Edwards? Beast? Still has to prove it, he's fought some injuries and struggled at times catching the ball.

Deebo? Certainly has the potential to play in the NFL, but he has to stay healthy. Having to be on a "play count" to minimize stress on his hamstrings isn't going to get him drafted early. Pharaoh and Ellington both had very productive careers, they both went in the 4th round. Deebo has a lot to prove to get to that point.

R Davis hasn't played yet, he's had some injury problems. He shouldn't even be in the discussion.

Rico has two more seasons to improve before worrying about the draft.

T Williams, again hasn't played yet. He could do really good, or he could get beat out by Mon Denison. Why is anyone even looking at his draft prospects right now?
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Just curious, have you read any evaluations of guys hoping to get an NFL shot at those positions?

Let's start at TE. Hurst is an athletic guy, and a hard worker. That's not enough to guarantee getting you drafted as late as a TE, much less 1st or 2nd round. Lot of teams won't have a need for a TE, and the ones that do won't have to draft early. For Hurst to have a shot at 1st or 2nd round he'll have to be one of the top 5 TE's in the country, and even that may not get him picked high.

He's had 1 full season playing TE. Not only does he have to improve his route running, he has to improve his blocking. That's not a slam at him, simply reality...the guy went from playing minor league baseball to walking on at a SEC program....there's a lot he has to learn.

Edwards? Beast? Still has to prove it, he's fought some injuries and struggled at times catching the ball.

Deebo? Certainly has the potential to play in the NFL, but he has to stay healthy. Having to be on a "play count" to minimize stress on his hamstrings isn't going to get him drafted early. Pharaoh and Ellington both had very productive careers, they both went in the 4th round. Deebo has a lot to prove to get to that point.

R Davis hasn't played yet, he's had some injury problems. He shouldn't even be in the discussion.

Rico has two more seasons to improve before worrying about the draft.

T Williams, again hasn't played yet. He could do really good, or he could get beat out by Mon Denison. Why is anyone even looking at his draft prospects right now?
I've read and heard several analyst say hurst could/should be the best TE in the SEC next year and one of the top in the country I agree deebo needs to show he can stay healthy and it's too early for the other guys
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Hayden Hurst is a first round or second round NFL talent at TE. No doubt. Bryan Edwards is a beast of a WR, just still young. Having Deebo, he is NFL talent. Davis at WR has the potential also. Having Dowdle in the backfield, if he can improve his stats this year he is draftable, and having T Williams also is a given although he is a little unproven at this point. Just looking at his stats at NC kind of says that.
Hurst is nowhere close to a first or second round draft pick.
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I'm extremely excited to see Randrecous Davis play. He's fast-twitch and can burn.
Me too. And having another fast WR will only help Deebo and Edwards.
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Hurst is nowhere close to a first or second round draft pick.
You are nowhere close to being right. Hurst has been mentioned as a top 5 TE. He has to work on his blocking, mainly his strength. If he has another 600+ yard season, he will be one of the top 5 TE drafted. Period.
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You are nowhere close to being right. Hurst has been mentioned as a top 5 TE. He has to work on his blocking, mainly his strength. If he has another 600+ yard season, he will be one of the top 5 TE drafted. Period.
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You are nowhere close to being right. Hurst has been mentioned as a top 5 TE. He has to work on his blocking, mainly his strength. If he has another 600+ yard season, he will be one of the top 5 TE drafted. Period.
When is the last time you saw a TE drafted in the first round. Not very often. So unless you think he's one of the best 2-3 TE in the country, which he isn't, rounds 3-5 is much more likely. If you are right and he is the 5th best TE, he's probably going in the 4-5 round. I personally don't think he even close to the top 5. He's only played the position for 2 years. Come on man. He does have the potential to get better every year, but in my opinion, he needs all 4 years playing in college.

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When is the last time you saw a TE drafted in the first round. Not very often. So unless you think he's one of the best 2-3 TE in the country, which he isn't, rounds 3-5 is much more likely. If you are right and he is the 5th best TE, he's probably going in the 4-5 round. I personally don't think he even close to the top 5. He's only played the position for 2 years. Come on man. He does have the potential to get better every year, but in my opinion, he needs all 4 years playing in college.

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We're not "overloaded" at a single position on the entire roster. Muschamp inherited a football team that was low on overall talent & almost totally devoid of talent at certain positions and/or had no depth (QB, WR, DB, etc) To his credit he has brought in some proven playmakers & some guys who quite obviously are more talented than the guys they replaced.

Using the eye test, RB is in much, much better shape. We're above average in the SEC there imo. And about the only thing I'd disagree with in Nurye's post is that they are not small body types. Bentley said the other day that Williams & Dowdle were both in the 220 lb range. WR, no better than average at this point although Deebo could play for anybody when healthy. Average would be miles better than two years ago. Still need more speed there. TE has some guys who can catch in Hurst & Crosby & Pollard was impressive in the G&B Game. But like others correctly pointed out, blocking has been an issue.

This offense WILL be better this year, period imo. But if any Gamecock fan thinks other teams are sitting around worrying about how to stop this onslaught of skill people we have then they need a reality check. Muschamp has done a really good job of shoring up many areas of this team but we didn't get here overnight & we've still got a ways to go. We're not at the point of overwhelming our opponents with talent by a long shot either offensively & most certainly not defensively. There was a massive gap between where we were & respectably by SEC standards, overloaded is not even in the equation at this point but I do think we'll get there with this staff. Overall I'm optimistic about the future.

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We're not "overloaded" at a single position on the entire roster. Muschamp inherited a football team that was low on overall talent & almost totally devoid of talent at certain positions and/or had no depth (QB, WR, DB, etc) To his credit he has brought in some proven playmakers & some guys who quite obviously are more talented than the guys they replaced.

Using the eye test, RB is in much, much better shape. We're above average in the SEC there imo. And about the only thing I'd disagree with in Nurye's post is that they are not small body types. Bentley said the other day that Williams & Dowdle were both in the 220 lb range. WR, no better than average at this point although Deebo could play for anybody when healthy. Average would be miles better than two years ago. Still need more speed there. TE has some guys who can catch in Hurst & Crosby & Pollard was impressive in the G&B Game. But like others correctly pointed out, blocking has been an issue.

This offense WILL be better this year, period imo. But if any Gamecock fan thinks other teams are sitting around worrying about how to stop this onslaught of skill people we have then they need a reality check. Muschamp has done a really good job of shoring up many areas of this team but we didn't get here overnight & we've still got a ways to go. We're not at the point of overwhelming our opponents with talent by a long shot either offensively & most certainly not defensively. There was a massive gap between where we were & respectably by SEC standards, overloaded is not even in the equation at this point but I do think we'll get there with this staff. Overall I'm optimistic about the future.
I agree with most of what you are saying but we can be at a much higher level at WR as some youngsters develop, and I think we are already there at TE.

August and Markway can block and are big targets, and they took advantage of Hurst's absence to catch some nice passes in the Spring game. And those are the #4 and #5 TEs. And you have Hinson and Register waiting in the wings. If Pollard's Spring game was no fluke, watch out.

Shi Smith has wheels and so does Korey Banks, and Jerad Washington came out of nowhere to impress in the Spring game. He looked like a taller Ace Sanders. So we do have some wheels at WR.

Edwards looked stronger and more confident, and OrTre Smith looked good - especially considering that he has missed most of the last 6 months or so. Edwards and OrTre are both big and strong, and will be able to overpower DBs ala Mike Williams. Randrecous Davis is supposed to be the real deal also. The amazing thing is that we have no Seniors, and only two Juniors, Deebo and Googer. So they could be really good as early as next year, and be solid for years to come.
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He must have redshirted, didn't here his name last year. He had a pretty decent rating as a recruit.
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