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Old 01-12-2016, 09:34 AM   #21
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If we had 5 star talent they would start immediately, like Clowney and Lati did. We have not recruited this level of talent in a while.
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Old 01-12-2016, 09:46 AM   #23
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In 2015 taters had 3 five star and 8 four star recruits. The taters have been out recruiting us for several years now, and it does show. We really need to recruit well for several years to even be competitive with the taters. In the SEC we are way behind the top their in talent quality. We are years away from being competitive for any championship. At least we have better coaching to look forward to.
The big talent discrepancy is largely a myth. Clemson had 3 - 5* and 8 - 4* players in 2015? Well, we had 10 - 4* stars in 2015. Of the Tigers' 3 -5*players, two were Wide Receivers (one of whom is currently on suspension), which was already one of their deepest positions. You can only play so many at one time. Even with all of their 4* and 5* WRs, their best WR last night was a walk-on - remember all of the complaints about how bad out talent was, because we had to resort to using walk-ons at WR?

I watched the game and it reinforced what I already thought: Clemson is a good team with one great player. He just happens to be the QB, which is a position that greatly magnifies his impact. Outside of QB, our talent levels are similar. I was not impressed with their defense (38 points and a lot of big plays given up), offense except for QB (18 rushes for 82 yards, poor pass blocking that would have resulted in a lot of sacks if not for Watson's escape ability), and their special teams were just plain bad.

I welcome your comments, but try rational thought and analysis rather than something along the lines of "What are you smoking???"
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If we had 5 star talent they would start immediately, like Clowney and Lati did. We have not recruited this level of talent in a while.
Clowney wasnt a starter he was a passing situation only his first year........

Again you have been proven wrong about the talent lvl of this team.

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Yeah....... recruiting has pretty much stayed the same what changed was the lvl of coaching.

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Yes, coaching and schemes were lacking. But a lot of the problem was inexperience and injuries, especially at QB and WR. Think about it - Orth was a 3rd team walk-on, and he was held back on running the ball because we did not have another healthy QB that could throw. Mitch was totally shot, Nunez could not throw due to his shoulder. And our WRs -outside of Pharoh - were all Freshmen and 2 of the 3 RS Freshman were hurt, as well as some of the true Freshmen.

A little coaching, some newer schemes, staying healthy, a few new guys and a little experience - and we should be there.
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Ace, All perspective talent, recruited from HS, is a shot in the dark. Many variables contribute to an athletes success in HS. The star ranking simply reduces your risk of a potential bust. I heard many cheerleaders say rankings dont matter...that is simply not True. Is it the catch-call to recruiting success..No..but more often than not the team with the most 4*..5* recruits is always in the hunt..Alabama is a prime example..
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Ace, All perspective talent, recruited from HS, is a shot in the dark. Many variables contribute to an athletes success in HS. The star ranking simply reduces your risk of a potential bust. I heard many cheerleaders say rankings dont matter...that is simply not True. Is it the catch-call to recruiting success..No..but more often than not the team with the most 4*..5* recruits is always in the hunt..Alabama is a prime example..
We have recruited 32 4*s yet we are lacking in talent.......... it's coaching pure and simple.

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Old 01-12-2016, 10:16 AM   #28
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They hurt my feelings. Feelings are king these days. Is that right?
i guess. it just seemed like a harsh reaction to an at least moderately funny joke.
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Ace, All perspective talent, recruited from HS, is a shot in the dark. Many variables contribute to an athletes success in HS. The star ranking simply reduces your risk of a potential bust. I heard many cheerleaders say rankings dont matter...that is simply not True. Is it the catch-call to recruiting success..No..but more often than not the team with the most 4*..5* recruits is always in the hunt..Alabama is a prime example..
I agree.. Stars matter. They always did in every college sport. It's how Bama is always in the convo for a natty every year, or Duke/Kentucky is in the picture every year in men's basketball. If you read the background of what stars/ratings mean on 247sports, the five stars actually project to be first round draft picks in either the NFL or NBA for that draft class.
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Ace, All perspective talent, recruited from HS, is a shot in the dark. Many variables contribute to an athletes success in HS. The star ranking simply reduces your risk of a potential bust. I heard many cheerleaders say rankings dont matter...that is simply not True. Is it the catch-call to recruiting success..No..but more often than not the team with the most 4*..5* recruits is always in the hunt..Alabama is a prime example..
I agree - my point is that the big recruiting gap is not there - we had 10 - 4*, Clemson had 8 - 4* (two less)and 3 - 5* (three more). And that is after 4* Mark Fields de-committed from us and committed to Clemson. And one of Clemson's 5* WRs is currently suspended and will have to stay clean to continue his career - he has two strikes in his Freshman year. Clemson has an edge but it is pretty damn close based on the stars.

The funny thing to me is that people complain about our poor recruiting and use team rankings/star ratings as gospel proof, with the "stars matter, it is better to get higher rated players" mantra . But when those star ratings show that our recruiting is actually pretty good, they get confused. Can't have it both ways.

Our recruiting has actually been pretty consistent from before our 11 win seasons until now. So....Spurrier Junior is not the Great Satan, our staff did not suck at recruiting, we do not have a huge talent gap with Clemson because of Saint Dabo, etc. We need to do better with recruiting, we need to coach em up better, the schemes need to be inmproved and we need for some youngsters to get experience. And all that is happening.
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Let's put this in perspective. Deshaun Hand the #1 player in his high school class is not even a starter for Bama. That's how deep they are with experienced talent. Bama has been top 3 in recruiting rankings the last 5 years. Not saying stars are everything but they clearly have substance
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Bama freshman + coaching > our previous coaching staff

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Hopefully maximizing whatever freshman talent we are able to bring in, *'s or not, will be a focus of the new staff. Making the freshman class an asset instead of a liability.
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Old 01-12-2016, 12:28 PM   #34
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I forgot about 5 Star Shaq Rolland.
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My money is on 2 Freshmen at least starting next year:
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It's obvious we'll be a very young team next year regardless how many freshmen we play. It does help we have guys like Keir, McIlwain, and Edwards EE because they all have a real shot at being a constant starter, but there's probably a bunch of Freshmen not EEing I can see start all year.

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Rico has already stated that he'll see the field at RB next year.
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Obviously, we're not Alabama.
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Actually, Clowney did not start most games as a freshman. He played a good deal and contributed, but he didn't start. He mainly came in situationally and they moved Ingram inside to DT and put Clowney at DE.

For that matter, Lattimore was not scheduled to start either. He did so due to injuries. Of course he was sensational so was always the starter, when healthy, thereafter.
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