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Old 01-08-2019, 11:36 AM   #21
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Annual beatdown by the taters = short leash.


While I would normally agree with you, Clemson has become a powerhouse program and we cannot base our coach's success solely on this game. There has to be other goals. Namely, winning the East. At this point that is what I want to see. Just get there again.
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Anyone else read the JC Shurburtt - Gamecocks have to get back to the "entry point" - piece on TBS?

It was a pretty decent read.
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so we got new coaches??
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Anyone else read the JC Shurburtt - Gamecocks have to get back to the "entry point" - piece on TBS?

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It was a depressing read. How long til we get back to ďthe entry point?Ē 2025? 2030? Muschamp wonít last that long
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I think muschamp made a bad move by immediately getting rid of jack easterby..what clemson sells to a recruit is what muschamp cut.
Huh?

Easterby was let go years before Muschamp came here, IIRC.
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I think muschamp made a bad move by immediately getting rid of jack easterby..what clemson sells to a recruit is what muschamp cut.

Regardless of what many here may believe, many parents like to send kids to schools where they truly feel their kids will be looked after. Clemson is presented as family and That's why they stay. And truthfully it pains me to say it but if I had an elite son I would definitely consider clemtech.

Dabo gets laughed at and mocked for his religious views but believe it or not many people like that. And I do think they are genuine and not manufactured..you can't consistently live what you don't preach without the closest around you figuring it out.
Dabo isn't mocked for being religious, he's mocked for the blatant hypocrisy of pimping a faith his program doesn't really line up with. A lot of sins go unrepented and unpunished Vin them hills. Redemption is one thing, tolerance of sin (cheating, hitting women) is a sin and to involve religion for gain or to push a more positive perception is referred to as a sin. Spurrier was actually religious, he lived the right way and never made faith about him or his programs. Tim Tebow is a guy who got guff he didn't deserve, because when he involved God it was for praise and spreading the word. Now I fall short but I don't say I'm religious to gain people's trust because I know if I'm doing what I'm supposed to people should trust me for how I carry myself not for what I say about it.
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It was a depressing read. How long til we get back to ďthe entry point?Ē 2025? 2030? Muschamp wonít last that long
He essentially has two recruiting classes of his own here. 2016 was mainly Spurrier recruits.

Itís going to take time.

Big thing we need? Player leadership. Iím not seeing it. Jake says and does all the right things, but I donít see him as the guy whoíll put the team on his shoulders and carry them.

Swearinger, Lattimore, Shaw, guys like that...those are the types of guys weíre lacking.
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He essentially has two recruiting classes of his own here. 2016 was mainly Spurrier recruits.

Itís going to take time.

Big thing we need? Player leadership. Iím not seeing it. Jake says and does all the right things, but I donít see him as the guy whoíll put the team on his shoulders and carry them.

Swearinger, Lattimore, Shaw, guys like that...those are the types of guys weíre lacking.
I can't even count how many times I thought that during last season.
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After beating Clemson 5-straight, Clemsonís mindset changed. Doing what it takes to have the best assistants, best recruits, and winning at all costs became an attitude. Until we take on a championship mentality, like using all your bowl practices, we will remain mediocre. No amount of 3-star qbs will change that.


Maybe Muschamp will turn us into an elite program by 2025, but Iím not holding my breath.
That is exactly right. They opened up the wallets and bought the best assistants that were available. This attracted the 5 star players, meanwhile some coaches were happy to have a few good walk-ons.
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Huh?

Easterby was let go years before Muschamp came here, IIRC.
no, he was let go by muschamp. fact
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So we should baptize players in a bathtub at practice? I'm good.
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After beating Clemson 5-straight, Clemsonís mindset changed. Doing what it takes to have the best assistants, best recruits, and winning at all costs became an attitude. Until we take on a championship mentality, like using all your bowl practices, we will remain mediocre. No amount of 3-star qbs will change that.

Maybe Muschamp will turn us into an elite program by 2025, but Iím not holding my breath.
Has Muschamp not proven yet that he doing all he can? The program is being modeled after Alabama and Clemson. Not every program is doing that.

The bowl practices example is disingenuous.
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Anyone else read the JC Shurburtt - Gamecocks have to get back to the "entry point" - piece on TBS?

It was a pretty decent read.


Well thought out. And it isn't depressing, it's true. A lot of programs, 90% likely, are in our same position. We need to stop using Clemson as a measuring stick right now and focus on ourselves and being competitive in the SEC east.
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Well thought out. And it isn't depressing, it's true. A lot of programs, 90% likely, are in our same position. We need to stop using Clemson as a measuring stick right now and focus on ourselves and being competitive in the SEC east.
If we're competitive in the east and we go into the Clemson game with 2 or fewer losses we're a solid program and we're going to give Clemson a game.

Spurrier had it right when he shifted the focus away from Clemson and put our attention on getting to Atlanta.
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Has Muschamp not proven yet that he doing all he can? The program is being modeled after Alabama and Clemson. Not every program is doing that.

The bowl practices example is disingenuous.
He is, but its not exactly a great time to be at SC. Georgia, Clemson, Alabama, Florida, TexA&M on the schedule. To recruit great players you have to win...to win you need great players. Daunting task.
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...we cannot base our coach's success solely on this game.
But it will be....
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Has Muschamp not proven yet that he doing all he can?
Keeping a failing QB in the game...both teams that played last night, previously had replaced starting QBs with other guys. You do what it takes to win.
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I think muschamp made a bad move by immediately getting rid of jack easterby..what clemson sells to a recruit is what muschamp cut.

Regardless of what many here may believe, many parents like to send kids to schools where they truly feel their kids will be looked after. Clemson is presented as family and That's why they stay. And truthfully it pains me to say it but if I had an elite son I would definitely consider clemtech.

Dabo gets laughed at and mocked for his religious views but believe it or not many people like that. And I do think they are genuine and not manufactured..you can't consistently live what you don't preach without the closest around you figuring it out.
Was Easterby the chaplain that Muschamp let go?

I can't judge Swinney's faith. That's between him and God.
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