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Old 01-08-2019, 12:16 PM   #1
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Default The darkest days

If these aren't the darkest days in our program's history, it's pretty close. In a rivalry that dates back to 1896, the disparity between our programs has has never been greater than it as this moment. We are certainly not the worst we've ever been, far from it. However, Clemson has never been the premier program in college football. Until now. And, note that I said "program" not "team." They've built a juggernaut, and it was on display for all to see in last night's dismantling of Alabama. In our state it's not possible for either team to experience great success without the other team also experiencing hardship.

All of it leaves me wondering: Where do we go from here? Why even bother? Dabo isn't even 50 yet and he's already a hall of fame coach. He's already a more accomplished coach than Steve Spurrier. With his age, there's no reason to believe this thing with Clemson won't go on for another 15-20 years. Him going somewhere else is a pipe dream. The only other comparable job is Bama, and that's now a lateral move for him, at best. Anywhere else would be a downward move.

History has demonstrated that our state simply can't support two nationally relevant programs at the same time (or not for long), and it would seem that's Clemson's meteoric rise has necessarily relegated us to 15-20 years of mediocrity (throw in that we're also recruiting against UGA). We may get 7-8 wins a year but all that will change is the name of the opponents we beat.

Yes, we can hope and be optimistic and just believe, but when you know your ceiling is 8ish wins, it saps the enthusiasm. Reality is that's probably always been our ceiling (barring a fluke year here and there), but Clemson's tremendous success has made the ceiling much harder. I just don't see any hope of us breaking through.

If you watched the game last night, you saw the results of superior recruiting. It was almost like watching a different sport than what our team plays. The level of athleticism was just remarkable. You HAVE to get high 4* and 5* guys and we don't for the most part. We pick up one here and there, and even that will get more difficult with Clemson's ascension to the elite level.

For me, I've always been optimistic. Even after the winless season. Anticipation always grows as the start of the season gets closer and I always end up talking myself into thinking we can be pretty good. But we rarely have. In 126 years of football, we've had 4 dougle-digit win seasons. Now, with Clemson's historic win last night, I feel like my optimism is pretty much drained away. I've always loved college football, and much of that has stemmed from the anticipation of what we might be able to accomplish.

I'm just finding it difficult to see much to be optimistic about at the present moment. I don't envy the task before Mushcamp. He may actually be a good coach, but he's frankly been asked to the do the impossible. It'd be hard enough to maintain success right now with how unbelievable Clemson is, but he's being asked to REBUILD a program while Clemson is the best program in college football. I'm just not seeing it happening.
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1-10, and 0-11 doesnt ring a bell?

A lot of folks need to maybe take a break from here...
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1-10, and 0-11 doesnt ring a bell?

A lot of folks need to maybe take a break from here...
Clemson was 6-6 and 3-8 in those years
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1-10, and 0-11 doesnt ring a bell?

A lot of folks need to maybe take a break from here...
Clemson was pretty terrible back then too which I think took some of the sting out. Also, everyone was excited the second year with Holtz and that team played hard and was competitive in it's games.

At almost any other point in our history fans would be pleased. We have a coach that took us to 3 bowl games in the first three years and had been signing decent recruiting classes. We had that taste of success under Spurrier and now see the team in the upstate being mentioned as a dynasty type program.

I was mad at the staff after the bowl game, but after last night I almost feel a little bad for them. We didn't play another game and I think their seat got a little warmer. Fan enthusiasm is dwindling and that's not good for a program or coaching staff.
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Default Re: The darkest days

This is the same for Auburn, FSU, Georgia Tech, and Louisville. The latter really surprised at UKs rise.

You have to find that next great in the college world and pay to keep them. I think that is part of USC thing. USC had great coaches in Beamer, Johnson, and Fitz. We don't know if USC offered the money for them or not. The teams they went back to could be their home, but pay them their worth and see if they stay. BV had a shot at K state this year and stayed. Money can speak if the right amount is given.

At the time we're like oh they are moving up or going to their home team it's ok....No it's not, if a coach is getting us to 11 wins keep them no matter the cost.
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Darkest days?


Here's what you need to come to terms with:


Clemson's success and our failures aren't a cause and effect. There were two separate but coincidental rise and fall that leave people frustrated, but does not indicate the direction of our program on the whole. Basically, yeah, Clemson is a dynasty at this point, but that doesn't mean we can't get better and start beating UK and TAMU. And if you regularly beat UK and TAMU, you probably are winning against UT and Mizzou and maybe even UF. Do that, and get a good draw from the west, and even without surpassing Clemson and UGA, we're a 10 win team. At that point, when we have 10 win season, you can start asking why we aren't competing with Clemson. At this juncture, we need to focus on us, build something here, and maybe become a middle tier SEC team again first.


We tore the goal posts down beating New Mexico State, now we're unhappy with a winning season and a bowl game. That's progress even if it isn't the epic win you want.
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I hate football right now
^^^ This.. I have always looked forward to college football season.. with all that has happened the last few years... I hope to distance myself from it next year. See the highlights. Read the game recap.. I feel bad for my kid who currently attends SC that most likely he will never see a decent win during his 4 years.
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There were two separate but coincidental rise and fall that leave people frustrated, but does not indicate the direction of our program on the whole.
I kind of disagree here. When you're competing for recruits it does relate. When they get the best athletes in the area, we don't.
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Not “is falling.” It has fallen.
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I've been a Gamecock for decades and trust me this isn't even close to our "darkest days".
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Not “is falling.” It has fallen.
Good. Now it's time to pick up the pieces and start rebuilding.

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I've been a Gamecock for decades and trust me this isn't even close to our "darkest days".
I likewise have been a Gamecock fan for decades. Stand by my original assessment.
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I remember Holtz giving a scholarship to a kid from Irmo, he played qb for them I think, just to get bodies in his recruiting class because we couldn't get anyone else. We rushed the field after beating new mexico state for gods sake. Some of you need to get a grip.
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I likewise have been a Gamecock fan for decades. Stand by my original assessment.
If you honestly think this is the darkest days then I suggest you hang up your Gamecock fan jersey and move along and retire.
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I kind of disagree here. When you're competing for recruits it does relate. When they get the best athletes in the area, we don't.


Can you name all the recruits that we has come down to USC or Clemson?


I'm looking back around 2013 (assuming that is the year the separation based on records happened), and I don't see a lot of names popping out that we were actually ever in the picture for.


Here's something that I think get's overlooked, talking about the senior classes, those 2013, 2014 recruiting classes were good for Clemson, but nationally were around 14-16th. They just had a lot of 4 stars and not a lot of misses--something that we're trying to replicate currently (with less four start unfortunately).
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