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Old 01-08-2019, 03:08 PM   #41
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1-10, and 0-11 doesnt ring a bell?

A lot of folks need to maybe take a break from here...
Got to agree.
From a program standpoint, can't get much worse than that. 0-22 over two years would do it.

Right now the program is middle tier....not the best, but no where near the worst in country.

Things feel worse because those jokers up the road have 3 national titles in their trophy case now, and just won one by completely outclassing Bama (Tua's two picks sure helped).

This program can only control what it does...and we as fans have to take that mindset...sure, the rivals got their trophy...but we know just how fast a program can fall when complacency sets in. In two years, the landscape could look completely different...you just never know.

All USC can do is itself. Go out and recruit better talent, use that Ops building to its fullest potential and continue to build for the 2020 season.

But darkest days....not even close.
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Got to agree.
From a program standpoint, can't get much worse than that. 0-22 over two years would do it.

Right now the program is middle tier....not the best, but no where near the worst in country.

Things feel worse because those jokers up the road have 3 national titles in their trophy case now, and just won one by completely outclassing Bama (Tua's two picks sure helped).

This program can only control what it does...and we as fans have to take that mindset...sure, the rivals got their trophy...but we know just how fast a program can fall when complacency sets in. In two years, the landscape could look completely different...you just never know.

All USC can do is itself. Go out and recruit better talent, use that Ops building to its fullest potential and continue to build for the 2020 season.

But darkest days....not even close.
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My OP never focused on overall record. In fact, I stated in my second sentence “we are certainly not the worst we’ve ever been” which tells me nobody bothered to read to the second sentence lol (not that anyone should bother, but it does lead to a lot of uninformed responses).
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You are probably talking about Danny Morrison. He is one sharp guy for sure. I know he was an AD at TCU and also with Wofford I believe. Saw Mick Mulvaney's name thrown out there today.


Mulvaney would be a ridiculous, shit hire. That punk with the Harry Potter glasses inspires absolutely nothing except for the strong desire to take his lunch money.
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Danny Morrison. I had a class with him last semester. Great guy, but he would be more likely to be AD than president. He was AD at Wofford and TCU before becoming Panthers president till a few years ago.

He does have the academia to be considered for a President position, but have no idea.
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Here is the difference. Clempson has a dc that doesn't want to be a hc and is great friends with dabo plus his family now has a clempson student so they have become part of the school. Their co-oc both came up through clempson so that is their family and would take a hc job to make them consider leaving. We, on the other hand, have 2 coordinators with no previous ties to USC and it's basically business for them.
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I kind of disagree here. When you're competing for recruits it does relate. When they get the best athletes in the area, we don't.
We aren't really recruiting the same players.
A few don't get me wrong...but they have been recruiting more out of state guys since Dabo got there...a few kids in state and a few in the Atlanta area...but right now, I'd say the state is prime picking to get those solid players Clemson is not even looking at.

And, prime to get those solid GA players that Georiga and Clemson overlook...and the state of NC is a mess, and we are seeing the staff move more into that area with the offer list for 2020.
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Can you name all the recruits that we has come down to USC or Clemson?
I get what you're saying, but ultimately we are in direct competition with Clemson for recruits just based off of our location. I certainly don't agree with the "Sky is falling" mentality of the OP, but we have to admit that Clemson doing well directly affects our program negatively. A least a little. It's not a huge leap considering that they are the only other major football program in a state our size.
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We're not even playing the same game as Clemson. Be it on the field or off the field.

Since we're not even trying to compete of national titles I see no reason to get upset about it.

There are only 4 or 5 teams that have a shot to win every year. We are not one of those team so why worry about it. This is the primary issue with CFB. There is no parity nor does the NCAA car about parity.

This is why the NFL is better product. Better players and parity. From year to year any number of teams have shot to win it all.
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I get what you're saying, but ultimately we are in direct competition with Clemson for recruits just based off of our location. I certainly don't agree with the "Sky is falling" mentality of the OP, but we have to admit that Clemson doing well directly affects our program negatively. A least a little. It's not a huge leap considering that they are the only other major football program in a state our size.


Have to focus on SC and quit worrying about clemmers. They've reached the mountaintop; time to keep grinding and become a thorn in their side every year. They took that road with us about 5-6 years ago. We have to hope coaches and admin will provide the right leadership and support to develop a winning culture to compete at a high level.
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Have to focus on SC and quit worrying about clemmers. They've reached the mountaintop; time to keep grinding and become a thorn in their side every year. They took that road with us about 5-6 years ago. We have to hope coaches and admin will provide the right leadership and support to develop a winning culture to compete at a high level.
They had clocks in their locker room counting down to when they played us again. Neither of these teams ever quit worrying about the other. It sounds nice, but we always care how the other team is doing.
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I get what you're saying, but ultimately we are in direct competition with Clemson for recruits just based off of our location. I certainly don't agree with the "Sky is falling" mentality of the OP, but we have to admit that Clemson doing well directly affects our program negatively. A least a little. It's not a huge leap considering that they are the only other major football program in a state our size.


Maybe I'm just naïve, but I see maybe effecting one, maybe two, but even during this we still got the number one player in SC for multiple years.


The thing is, and this is a stretch even for me, but I can see an argument where it may even help us. Clemson recruits nationally, fills their class with cream, and we have more footing with top talent regionally they past on. Joyner for example. It may not be much, but when you are trying to break into the top 15 classes, a 2 or 3 four star recruits that Clemson opted out on for someone from Texas or Florida maybe the difference for us to beat UK and TAMU.
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They had clocks in their locker room counting down to when they played us again. Neither of these teams ever quit worrying about the other. It sounds nice, but we always care how the other team is doing.


Guarantee you they ain't worried about us right now. Maybe obsessing is a better word for it. Their program is the benchmark, so from that standpoint if we can compete with them, we've progressed, but it still only amounts to one game on the schedule every year. Must focus on our team and our conference. Succeed with the team and in the SEC and we'll be able to stay on the field with clemmers.
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He does have the academia to be considered for a President position, but have no idea.
If he has the qualifications academically to do the job then he may be the kind of guy we need. He can run the academic side of things but knows how important sports are and he wouldn't be afraid to step in and step in if need be.
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If these aren't the darkest days in our program's history, it's pretty close. In a rivalry that dates back to 1896, the disparity between our programs has has never been greater than it as this moment. We are certainly not the worst we've ever been, far from it. However, Clemson has never been the premier program in college football. Until now. And, note that I said "program" not "team." They've built a juggernaut, and it was on display for all to see in last night's dismantling of Alabama. In our state it's not possible for either team to experience great success without the other team also experiencing hardship.

All of it leaves me wondering: Where do we go from here? Why even bother? Dabo isn't even 50 yet and he's already a hall of fame coach. He's already a more accomplished coach than Steve Spurrier. With his age, there's no reason to believe this thing with Clemson won't go on for another 15-20 years. Him going somewhere else is a pipe dream. The only other comparable job is Bama, and that's now a lateral move for him, at best. Anywhere else would be a downward move.

History has demonstrated that our state simply can't support two nationally relevant programs at the same time (or not for long), and it would seem that's Clemson's meteoric rise has necessarily relegated us to 15-20 years of mediocrity (throw in that we're also recruiting against UGA). We may get 7-8 wins a year but all that will change is the name of the opponents we beat.

Yes, we can hope and be optimistic and just believe, but when you know your ceiling is 8ish wins, it saps the enthusiasm. Reality is that's probably always been our ceiling (barring a fluke year here and there), but Clemson's tremendous success has made the ceiling much harder. I just don't see any hope of us breaking through.

If you watched the game last night, you saw the results of superior recruiting. It was almost like watching a different sport than what our team plays. The level of athleticism was just remarkable. You HAVE to get high 4* and 5* guys and we don't for the most part. We pick up one here and there, and even that will get more difficult with Clemson's ascension to the elite level.

For me, I've always been optimistic. Even after the winless season. Anticipation always grows as the start of the season gets closer and I always end up talking myself into thinking we can be pretty good. But we rarely have. In 126 years of football, we've had 4 dougle-digit win seasons. Now, with Clemson's historic win last night, I feel like my optimism is pretty much drained away. I've always loved college football, and much of that has stemmed from the anticipation of what we might be able to accomplish.

I'm just finding it difficult to see much to be optimistic about at the present moment. I don't envy the task before Mushcamp. He may actually be a good coach, but he's frankly been asked to the do the impossible. It'd be hard enough to maintain success right now with how unbelievable Clemson is, but he's being asked to REBUILD a program while Clemson is the best program in college football. I'm just not seeing it happening.
This is a great post it sums up how I feel as well. It still baffles me why Clemson started getting top tier players a decade ago I still question it.
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Gamecock Nation can sit around and bemoan our failures or we can say enough is enough and get to work to make things better. Its real easy, and lazy, to sit back and point out reasons why we won't have success or we can work hard to change for the better. First thing we need to change is our " woe is us" mentality.
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Anytime you are winless, you cant be any worse. 7 wins is the darkest days??

Basically what I learned is our fan base is obsessed with Clemson. Man up people!
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Danny Morrison. I had a class with him last semester. Great guy, but he would be more likely to be AD than president. He was AD at Wofford and TCU before becoming Panthers president till a few years ago.
That's him. Thank you. I'm terrified were going to get some penny pincher in there that's going to castrate our athletic programs. I would love to see someone get in there that is able to see the value of a strong athletic department while continuing to move the academic side forward as well.
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It sometimes feels like that as a Gamecock, and sometimes it's ok to throw a pity party to help get out the frustration.

If Clemmy were still their Tommy Bowden version, we wouldn't feel nearly as bad about ourselves. But we must focus on our own team, find a way to be competitive in the SEC, and GET TO ATLANTA. It absolutely stinks out loud, but there's nothing we can do about Clemmy, they're going to be good for quite awhile. Sometimes seeing your rival pass you can be a powerful motivator. I've heard many times from the Clemson insiders here in the upstate that after SC won their second in a row and was getting big time recruits the higher ups met and decided they weren't going to let us pass them, no matter what. Hopefully our higher ups are as passionate about us catching up now.
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That's him. Thank you. I'm terrified were going to get some penny pincher in there that's going to castrate our athletic programs. I would love to see someone get in there that is able to see the value of a strong athletic department while continuing to move the academic side forward as well.
If anything, I think they would promote him to athletic director. But unfortunately, I don't see any reason to think Tanner will leave/retire/resign.
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