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Old 05-27-2017, 02:55 PM   #41
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We weren't supposed to win 6 games last year. 8 wins seems high to me for expectations. We pretty much have to be solid in all areas to accomplish that, and my major concern is strength and conditioning and I don't know if we have had enough time to improved enough there to win consistently against our competition. I think 8-9 wins may be possible but, it's playing above expectations.
Why weren't we supposed to win 6 games last year? How many were we supposed to win? We weren't supposed to win 7 in 2014 (coming off three consecutive 11 win seasons and collapsing late in three games) or 3 in 2015 either (Spurrier thought we had a good team heading into the season). Maybe we underachieved in those years and last year we won what we should have?

And if we should have won 6 last year, shouldn't we expect more this year? The Offense returns intact, we were very young and we finished the regular season 4-2. And we have the best D coach in the country taking care of that side.

And we have two full years of the new strength and conditioning regime. How many years do you need before you see results? Shouldn't you see improvement in Year One? This is Year Two - do we need to wait two or three more years?
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Why weren't we supposed to win 6 games last year? How many were we supposed to win? We weren't supposed to win 7 in 2014 (coming off three consecutive 11 win seasons and collapsing late in three games) or 3 in 2015 either (Spurrier thought we had a good team heading into the season). Maybe we underachieved in those years and last year we won what we should have?

And if we should have won 6 last year, shouldn't we expect more this year? The Offense returns intact, we were very young and we finished the regular season 4-2. And we have the best D coach in the country taking care of that side.

And we have two full years of the new strength and conditioning regime. How many years do you need before you see results? Shouldn't you see improvement in Year One? This is Year Two - do we need to wait two or three more years?
Spurrier thought the team would be a bit better but we had a bad bad team in 2015. It wasn't underachieving, it was just lack of talent. The current staff was in utter shock with how bad the roster that they inherited was, they didn't think it was possible to be that bad so soon after those 11 win seasons. We were projected by most to be in the 3-5 win range last season, so we definitely overachieved.
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Why weren't we supposed to win 6 games last year? How many were we supposed to win? We weren't supposed to win 7 in 2014 (coming off three consecutive 11 win seasons and collapsing late in three games) or 3 in 2015 either (Spurrier thought we had a good team heading into the season). Maybe we underachieved in those years and last year we won what we should have?

And if we should have won 6 last year, shouldn't we expect more this year? The Offense returns intact, we were very young and we finished the regular season 4-2. And we have the best D coach in the country taking care of that side.

And we have two full years of the new strength and conditioning regime. How many years do you need before you see results? Shouldn't you see improvement in Year One? This is Year Two - do we need to wait two or three more years?
You are too much looking at this team in a vacuum. There are other teams that we play that think they are going to be better too and some are getting better at different rates. Yes, it IS possible to get better as team and the record not indicate it. And that is what I think will happen. We will get better but I wouldn't be surprised if we still only had 6 wins at the end of the year. That is the low end of what I expect though. As far as in improvment in the strength and conditioning I do expect to see some, but we are still playing catch up with our competition. 2 years is good. But it's not as good as quality strength and conditioning for all 4 years.
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Spurrier thought the team would be a bit better but we had a bad bad team in 2015. It wasn't underachieving, it was just lack of talent. The current staff was in utter shock with how bad the roster that they inherited was, they didn't think it was possible to be that bad so soon after those 11 win seasons. We were projected by most to be in the 3-5 win range last season, so we definitely overachieved.
Talent was part of it but we were never as bad as you are describing. Like I keep saying, the recruiting rankings were pretty steady, before the 11 win seasons and through them. The talent level did not fall off that badly.

Saying the current staff was in utter shock does not mean much - what should they say, we have great players and should win immediately? Has any incoming staff ever said they had everything they needed? Granted, we had some busts/bad evals/underachievers, and needed to fill holes and clean out some detritus. But not as much as you are making out.

The issue starting in 2014 after Shaw left, through last season, was QB and WRs, not talent across the board. Inexplicably, a Steve Spurrier team was lacking and in both areas - talent, depth and development. Thompson was a solid downfield passer but lacked Shaw's short passing and running skills, leading to three last minute defeats when we could not get a single First Down in either of our last two possessions. Seven wins and we could have won ten. In 2015 and the first half of 2016, we had no QB and hardly any WRS. Then we get Bentley and Deebo gets healthy to team up with Edwards, and we suddenly have a better team.

No offense makes the D look bad because they have to stay on the field. So......we are set at QB and WR now, plus TE and RB, and the D (and the O Line) will suddenly look a lot better. Like a 8-9 win team.
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Spurrier thought the team would be a bit better but we had a bad bad team in 2015. It wasn't underachieving, it was just lack of talent. The current staff was in utter shock with how bad the roster that they inherited was, they didn't think it was possible to be that bad so soon after those 11 win seasons. We were projected by most to be in the 3-5 win range last season, so we definitely overachieved.
That's the cold hard truth. Another truth is this, unlike this year, last years team essentially had no chance. Offense, from the QB position all the way thru the roster, was not expected to do much of anything & didn't until Bentley came in & provided a spark. Same for the defense. Kicking game, other than returns, was expected to be good & generally was good. But when you have a subpar offense & pair that up with a subpar defense you just have no margin for error & very little chance to beat good teams.

This year's offense, on paper anyway, gives you a bullet in the gun. I don't expect them, like other posters, to be a total juggernaut but they certainly have the potential to be far better than last year & will imo. We have some playmakers now. The defense will also be improved, it's just a matter of how much. Added depth & getting Moore back should help .The G&B game was just bad defensive football, period. I realize they limit what they do but they damn sure don't tell them not to fill gaps, lose contain, etc. They did all that & more. I don't for 1 second believe they are not coached properly, they just need to recruit some true SEC DL men. I was at a function where Muschamp said he's going to be totally honest & that's he is 2 years away on the DL. (When a poster says that he's immediately accused of being negative by a couple of people but when the HC says it I suppose it's ok, go figure)

As to expectations, one can expect anything one wants to from 0-14 to 14-0. But when people say we overachieved last year, which I firmly believe we did, they are talking about what media, other coaches, analysis, bookmakers etc expect the team to do. In that respect we definitely overachieved although we were far from good. Muschamp did a good job given the hand he was dealt. Think for a second about position group by position group & what it is was like when he got here. I truly can't think of one position group outside of specialist that was SEC caliber (LB would have been ok if Moore was available, but he was not). When you play with a roster like that & make a bowl game, your coach did a good job. That goes straight back to Spurrier & his total lack of any coherent recruiting plan & the personnel he put in charge of recruiting toward the end of his career here.

We are also clearly a much better team with Bentley at QB. But anyone going overboard with the 4-2 (it was actually 4-3) finish needs to look at reality. We beat UT, a good win, period. Then we beat a bad Missouri team, UMASS, & West Carolina. That's not exactly murderer's row. Then we get destroyed by clemson, rushed for slightly more than 1 ypc against UF, and lose a very competitive game against USF.

With all that I'm excited for the season, if the ball bounces right we can win more than we lose & build on last year. Win some of the close ones & who knows. It will also be a lot more fun to watch an offense with a pulse, even with a defense that might make you pull your hair out more times than we'd like. We'll be tested right out of the gate, anyone believing otherwise is likely in for a rude awakening.

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That's the cold hard truth. Another truth is this, unlike this year, last years team essentially had no chance. Offense, from the QB position all the way thru the roster, was not expected to do much of anything & didn't until Bentley came in & provided a spark. Same for the defense. Kicking game, other than returns, was expected to be good & generally was good. But when you have a subpar offense & pair that up with a subpar defense you just have no margin for error & very little chance to beat good teams.

This year's offense, on paper anyway, gives you a bullet in the gun. I don't expect them, like other posters, to be a total juggernaut but they certainly have the potential to be far better than last year & will imo. We have some playmakers now. The defense will also be improved, it's just a matter of how much. Added depth & getting Moore back should help .The G&B game was just bad defensive football, period. I realize they limit what they do but they damn sure don't tell them not to fill gaps, lose contain, etc. They did all that & more. I don't for 1 second believe they are not coached properly, they just need to recruit some true SEC DL men. I was at a function where Muschamp said he's going to be totally honest & that's he is 2 years away on the DL. (When a poster says that he's immediately accused of being negative by a couple of people but when the HC says it I suppose it's ok, go figure)

As to expectations, one can expect anything one wants to from 0-14 to 14-0. But when people say we overachieved last year, which I firmly believe we did, they are talking about what media, other coaches, analysis, bookmakers etc expect the team to do. In that respect we definitely overachieved although we were far from good. Muschamp did a good job given the hand he was dealt. Think for a second about position group by position group & what it is was like when he got here. I truly can't think of one position group outside of specialist that was SEC caliber (LB would have been ok if Moore was available, but he was not). When you play with a roster like that & make a bowl game, your coach did a good job. That goes straight back to Spurrier & his total lack of any coherent recruiting plan & the personnel he put in charge of recruiting toward the end of his career here.

We are also clearly a much better team with Bentley at QB. But anyone going overboard with the 4-2 (it was actually 4-3) finish needs to look at reality. We beat UT, a good win, period. Then we beat a bad Missouri team, UMASS, & West Carolina. That's not exactly murderer's row. Then we get destroyed by clemson, rushed for slightly more than 1 ypc against UF, and lose a very competitive game against USF.

With all that I'm excited for the season, if the ball bounces right we can win more than we lose & build on last year. Win some of the close ones & who knows. It will also be a lot more fun to watch an offense with a pulse, even with a defense that might make you pull your hair out more times than we'd like. We'll be tested right out of the gate, anyone believing otherwise is likely in for a rude awakening.
No game will come easy. NC State is a good football team and is definitely no slouch. Their offense looked good at the end of 2016. That and with it being the first game of the year, it will be a close game. Our first two SEC games are winnable. Missouri is still in rebuilding mode. Their offense can be dangerous, but they are one year away. Plus any road game is tough. UK has our number but we are overdue for a win, and it will be the home opener and probably a night game. I know nothing about La Tech, so not much I could say there. 4-0 start is plausible, but not certain.

The big swing games are Tennessee, Arkansas, and Florida. All of those teams have so many question marks just like we do. You can make an argument that we can both lose and win those games.

7-5 is most likely, with an outside chance at 8-4.That gets you a decent bowl game (i.e. Gator/Liberty/Music City). Building a program takes time. We will make strides, but 2018 is when this program will start to make some real noise.
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No game will come easy. NC State is a good football team and is definitely no slouch. Their offense looked good at the end of 2016. That and with it being the first game of the year, it will be a close game. Our first two SEC games are winnable. Missouri is still in rebuilding mode. Their offense can be dangerous, but they are one year away. Plus any road game is tough. UK has our number but we are overdue for a win, and it will be the home opener and probably a night game. I know nothing about La Tech, so not much I could say there. 4-0 start is plausible, but not certain.

The big swing games are Tennessee, Arkansas, and Florida. All of those teams have so many question marks just like we do. You can make an argument that we can both lose and win those games.

7-5 is most likely, with an outside chance at 8-4.That gets you a decent bowl game (i.e. Gator/Liberty/Music City). Building a program takes time. We will make strides, but 2018 is when this program will start to make some real noise.
Very sensible. Can't disagree with any of that. In my mind NC State would also be put in the category of swing game but who knows. Maybe I should be concerned with UK but I am not, if we lose to them at home then we're probably not very good anyway. I just think USC will win that game. I see 5 games we should win, four games we have a legitimate shot of winning, & 3 games where we'd be pretty big dogs if we teed it up right now. Ark, FL, UT & NC State will probably dictate the season. Every bit of that could go straight out the window at any time with a key injury at QB or any one of a hundred other things. Some of the teams we play will also be better than expected & some worse so what might look like a very winnable or unwinnable game right now can change quickly once the season actually starts.
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What makes 2017 so hard to predict is we are very young and inexperienced and nobody knows with a certainly how those young guys are going to play. I can also make an argument that we have anywhere from 5-7 swing games that should be very competitive especially where they're being played. The reason all these magazines as well as Vegas aren't predicting that we win more than 6 games are the same reasons the anonymous SEC coaches are saying.......terrible defense and not a good OL. So until we prove them wrong, they're going keep saying it. How many of us predicted we would win 11 games three years in a row, I could be a billionaire if I had bet that because nobody saw that coming, nobody. I try to stay fairly optimistic when dealing with Carolina sports. Just because it's easier being positive than negative. If I'm wrong, that why they make alcohol.

But there is one primary difference between this team and those of the last few years. We now have a coach that demands being physical and play with 100% effort on every play. And I'm banking on that's why we'll get better each year.
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Very sensible. Can't disagree with any of that. In my mind NC State would also be put in the category of swing game but who knows. Maybe I should be concerned with UK but I am not, if we lose to them at home then we're probably not very good anyway. I just think USC will win that game. I see 5 games we should win, four games we have a legitimate shot of winning, & 3 games where we'd be pretty big dogs if we teed it up right now. Ark, FL, UT & NC State will probably dictate the season. Every bit of that could go straight out the window at any time with a key injury at QB or any one of a hundred other things. Some of the teams we play will also be better than expected & some worse so what might look like a very winnable or unwinnable game right now can change quickly once the season actually starts.
I assume that the three big dogs are TAMU, UGA and Clemson.

TAMU loses their all-world DE and their QB. Clemson has heavy losses, will be inexperienced at the skill positions and are playing in Columbia. UGA is tough but their QB is not the all-world player that he was supposed to be and Kirby Smart is a neophyte coach. Plus we kept it close last year - without Bentley playing for us.

I don't see any of them as being unwinnable. We might be underdogs but we definitely have a shot.
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I assume that the three big dogs are TAMU, UGA and Clemson.

TAMU loses their all-world DE and their QB. Clemson has heavy losses, will be inexperienced at the skill positions and are playing in Columbia. UGA is tough but their QB is not the all-world player that he was supposed to be and Kirby Smart is a neophyte coach. Plus we kept it close last year - without Bentley playing for us.

I don't see any of them as being unwinnable. We might be underdogs but we definitely have a shot.

I didn't say they were unwinnable, I said we'd be pretty big underdogs if we teed it up right now. That is a fact. There are a ton of games on our schedule that we could also lose. We'd certainly not be favored in more than 6 as we sit here today. More likely 5. I just think we'll do better than that but I certainly don't think we'll win 9 or 10 this year.

I do find it interesting that you mention home field advantage when talking about us playing Clemson but that does not seem to be important when you discuss Texas A&M, UGA, you know, road games. Then you say we kept it close with UGA without Bentley but nothing about how close we were at Clemson with Bentley. The goalpost is constantly moving.

As for those 3 games. I went to College Station two years ago & that is not an easy place to play. Plus they still have good talent. I don't know what their QB situation is but I do know this. They may have Miles Garrett off the DL, but I guarantee you they are still better there than we are at the present time. Also, we lost both our starting DE's.

As to Clemson, they will miss Watson, no doubt. You do not replace a talent like that with an inexperienced player & not drop off. What I do know is there defense will again be good & they have almost the entire year to get their QB situation ironed out before we play them. I would give USC the advantage at QB, RB & TE. Can't do it at WR or OL at this point. Don't even want to discuss the defensive side because that's not close. I don't discount the possibility of an upset, it could happen. Then again we could lose to KY, right now my best guess is we beat KY but not Clemson. If the QB position becomes a real problem for them them & our defense surprises in a good way then I might think we've got a very good shot. We'll see.

I don't share your opinion of Eason. He completely stunk it up against us but we couldn't stop their ground game & lost by 2 TD's. Very doubtful he plays that bad again against us again. I think he's very good. Threw for 2400+ yards with 2 to 1 TD/Int ratio. Pretty damn solid for a freshman. Yes, he was a little up & down & made some mistakes you'd expect of a freshman. So did Bentley, you happen to watch the Clemson game? But both are very good players with bright futures. Last time we went down there was a complete cluster.

I'll stick by my 7-5 & hope for 8-4, you're more than free to think we win 9-10 or whatever you pick most every year. We'll both be very happy if you're right & I'm wrong.
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Same with the competition. As pointed out above, most of these W/L predictions are from within a bubble. NCSU could crap the field in CLT...no one knows.
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Same with the competition. As pointed out above, most of these W/L predictions are from within a bubble. NCSU could crap the field in CLT...no one knows.
I still think even with an offense of mostly sophomores we are still going to be extremely explosive. The defensive is the huge question mark going in. Hopefully the freshman talent, especially in the secondary helps out a lot.
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I bought an Althons ( Dont judge me, I buy one every year) and was surprised on how optimistic they were on us. Hurst and Deebo made first team SEC and three other guys made second and third teams. If Muschamp can get the defense to over perform, which he almost always does, this could be a great year. Also, 2018 is looking special as we lose only a couple of guys to graduation.
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Conway, I am not ignoring the home field with TAMU or UT. I am just pointing out that they lost a lot of talent at key positions, making them possible wins, even on the road. We beat UT, even with their stars in the line-up last year, and played TAMU pretty close - before our Offense got cranking.

Yeah, we lose both of our DEs - but not much else on D. Were either of them on the level of Myles Garrett? Or Barnett at UT? Anywhere close? We have 16 starters returning (not counting Skai Moore), TAMU and UT 11 apiece - and a lot were at key positions, like QB.

I happen to believe that neither Clemson's Defense or O Line are that good - they both benefitted tremendously from Clemson's skill position talent. Getting the ball out quick and having a scrambling QB means few sacks., so the more telling stat is being #71 in rushing - even with a running QB that churns out positive gains instead of sacks. Having a QB that is adept at short passes and can scramble for first downs keeps the chains moving and the D off the field. The D and the O Line will not have the veteran skill guys to make them look good this year and both will get exposed a little.
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Our biggest difference from last year? We finally get a good OL coach. I expect some improvement there. Not leaps and bounds, but a little more consistency. The DL won't be much better than last year unless Kinlaw and Blackshear turn out to be something special.
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Ace, you can continue your narrative that the talent level remained steady until the cows come home but it still won't be true. Spurrier said it, Shawn Elliott said it & Will Muschamp has said it.

I've got no intention of dragging our current players thru the mud, they're working hard & I'm going to assume they will give us all they have. That is all you can ask of a player.

Just on the defensive side of the ball, take a look at the last depth chart for the last couple of years & compare it to what we had when we were good.

Here's a sample of the 2011 defense.

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Akeem Auguste
Jadeveon Clowney
Stephon Gilmore
Victor Hampton
DJ Swearinger
Melvin Ingram
Devonte Holloman
Travian Robertson
Devin Taylor
Kelcy Quarles
Byron Jerrideau



Now if you can look at that talent vs what we have now & say recruiting never fell off significantly then you are either brain dead or simply refuse to face facts. Most of these guys were drafted into the NFL for a reason. How's the draft gone for us the past two years?

Will Muschamp is a damn fine defensive coach, if he had the horses you very likely would not see a defense like we put on the field last year.


The talent level did not fall off that badly.

Yeah, it absolutely did. How many of the guys we have now would put a single one of these guys on the bench?

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Here's a sample of the 2011 defense.
You mean the defense that didn't start Jadeveon? Best DL we ever had by a long shot. Hard to believe we sometimes lined Jadeveon, MI6, and Devin up on the same DL at times. I'd love to see that again.
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Same with the competition. As pointed out above, most of these W/L predictions are from within a bubble. NCSU could crap the field in CLT...no one knows.
that's why I said earlier there are between 5-7 games that could end up being swing games and could go either way.
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Ace, you can continue your narrative that the talent level remained steady until the cows come home but it still won't be true. Spurrier said it, Shawn Elliott said it & Will Muschamp has said it.

I've got no intention of dragging our current players thru the mud, they're working hard & I'm going to assume they will give us all they have. That is all you can ask of a player.

Just on the defensive side of the ball, take a look at the last depth chart for the last couple of years & compare it to what we had when we were good.

Here's a sample of the 2011 defense.

Antonio Allen
Akeem Auguste
Jadeveon Clowney
Stephon Gilmore
Victor Hampton
DJ Swearinger
Melvin Ingram
Devonte Holloman
Travian Robertson
Devin Taylor
Kelcy Quarles
Byron Jerrideau



Now if you can look at that talent vs what we have now & say recruiting never fell off significantly then you are either brain dead or simply refuse to face facts. Most of these guys were drafted into the NFL for a reason. How's the draft gone for us the past two years?

Will Muschamp is a damn fine defensive coach, if he had the horses you very likely would not see a defense like we put on the field last year.


The talent level did not fall off that badly.

Yeah, it absolutely did. How many of the guys we have now would put a single one of these guys on the bench?
Sorry, it did not fall off that badly. The recruiting rankings did not drop - at all. 5 of the 11 players you listed did not make the NFL. Good players, but not all world. And we have good players now.

It remains to be seen how many of this year's class make the NFL. But Skai is a great college player, as is BAW at LB. I believe that King, Lammons and DJ Smith are on a par with Auguste, maybe Fenton, Nixon, Jamyest, Dickerson will be as well.

D Line....well, it is too early to tell, but Blackshear has talent even if his physical issues have held him back. Sawyer and Stallworth have been solid, Kinlaw has a lot of physical talent, and who knows whether the young talent will be stars. Webb, Brad Johnson, Keir Thomas, Wonnum - not a Murderer's Row - yet - but all have promise.
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Conway, I am not ignoring the home field with TAMU or UT. I am just pointing out that they lost a lot of talent at key positions, making them possible wins, even on the road. We beat UT, even with their stars in the line-up last year, and played TAMU pretty close - before our Offense got cranking.

Yeah, we lose both of our DEs - but not much else on D. Were either of them on the level of Myles Garrett? Or Barnett at UT? Anywhere close? We have 16 starters returning (not counting Skai Moore), TAMU and UT 11 apiece - and a lot were at key positions, like QB.

I happen to believe that neither Clemson's Defense or O Line are that good - they both benefitted tremendously from Clemson's skill position talent. Getting the ball out quick and having a scrambling QB means few sacks., so the more telling stat is being #71 in rushing - even with a running QB that churns out positive gains instead of sacks. Having a QB that is adept at short passes and can scramble for first downs keeps the chains moving and the D off the field. The D and the O Line will not have the veteran skill guys to make them look good this year and both will get exposed a little.
I happen to believe that neither Clemson's Defense or O Line are that good

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