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Old 08-14-2017, 09:45 AM   #101
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Without the process you can get lucky and have a few good years but you can't sustain success with a bad process. Spurrier was very results oriented, when he had a good staff and process in place in the middle part of his time here it led to more success than we've ever. When the coaches went away the process changed and started our downfall. Spurrier didn't see the issue because he was results oriented and failed to see that the process being used from after the 1st 11 win season on was a poor process. The next 2 years we were able to get by on what was already put in place with 2 more 11 win seasons but the bad process caught up with us. If you want sustained success you have to be process oriented, if the process is good the results will follow.
Good post. I think WM is a process goal coach. The process was impeded at UF by injuries and greater fan expectations (two recent NCs), forcing WM into becoming an outcome based coach.
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Having a process in place gives you the best chance to succeed apart from straight up cheating, which despite what many here say isn't worth it for us in the long run. Like gotrice? said Spurrier had a solid process in place for awhile but couldn't sustain so he started focusing more on the outcome and sheer luck. That will only take you so far. He made fun of Saban for working hard and sticking to a process and look how the two coaches careers have ended up.
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After spending a career as a retail business analyst I finally started using a process to get the outcome I needed.

That's my story and me and my clients are sticking to it.
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Old 10-17-2017, 09:02 PM   #104
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Old 10-18-2017, 02:36 PM   #105
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You need both. Process goals are the milestones you achieve on your way to realizing outcome goals.

Outcome goals should be time boxed and not judged for completeness until the due date.

Process goals should be clearly defined incremental steps toward the desired output. They should be reviewed and appraised periodically along the way to ensure progress is being made and to take corrective action if needed.

Once an outcome goal is met, you need another one and the process to go along with it. Occupation without goals is aimless toil.
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Old 02-09-2018, 09:12 AM   #107
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How is Coach Muschamp and staff doing so far?
I'm very happy with how we're doing so far. I like the effort the staff puts into evaluations on the recruiting trail as well as the effort they put in to trying to land top recruits. We've missed on some but coming off of a 9 win season and Outback Bowl win plus having our Football Ops Building likely finished in November or December Muschamp has far more momentum heading into the 2019 class than he had with the 16, 17, or 18 classes. With that said the first 2 classes definitely upgraded the talent on the roster and on paper the 18 class looks like the best yet under Muschamp which means he's upgrading our talent with each recruiting class, keep doing that and we'll get where we want to go it may just require some patience which can be difficult given the success Clemson and UGA have had recently but all you can ask for is to keep moving in the right direction consistently. I have a feeling we may end up capitalizing on the momentum we've picked up in a big way on the trail this year, but like everything recruiting that's very fluid.

As for on the field I love our defensive scheme and can't wait to see how it looks as we keep upgrading our athleticism at all 3 levels of the defense. Also the potential size at the CB position in the next couple years with Mukuamu and Horn is an exciting prospect. As for the offense the play calling hasn't been great so far which means I'm thrilled Muschamp has made the change to BMac, adding Werner to help our inexperienced coordinator (not to mention his great track record developing QBs) really will pay dividends in his development. I don't expect to get a good look at the offense until the UGA game in week 2. I think the Spring Game will be very vanilla with concepts that carried over being called the vast majority of the time and if we can get away with calling a vanilla game against Coastal in week 1 we will, so patience will have to be a virtue when it comes to the off-season and seeing offensive changes. If BMac ends up being a good hire I have a feeling we're about to have massive success under Muschamp.
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:07 PM   #109
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Defense wins championships (allegedly....go ask the Eagles)
Offense wins fans.

Not sure if I answered your question.
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I'm very pleased with what he's done so far. There's still some issues, but I don't think anyone would have imagined a 9 win season with an Outback Bowl win just two years after a 9 loss season with a Citadel loss. It hasn't all been pretty (UK, Clemson games), but overall Muschamp has exceeded expectations and has proven himself.

Unfortunately, the two biggest rivals are currently Top 5 teams, but that's out of our control. If this program can build on this foundation already in place, we're in for a special ride.

But - one year at a time. The key to a program is to keep building and improving without getting complacent. Muschamp understands that, and I have trust in him. It won't always be perfect, but I think he's the right guy.
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Systems. Not goals

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Everyone has process. Not everyone has outcomes.
You're right but more often than not good process leads to good outcome.
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A lot of corporate speak here. Process and goals should be synergized.
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Still feel like process-based goals are the participation trophies of the adult world.

When you fail to deliver outcomes, what makes you feel better? Well, we nailed the process-based goals. Awesome. Let the stock holders know that next time the quarterly loses are dropping their 401k's by 10k. When a team gets 3 wins in a season, let us take solace because they gave 110% in practice. We may have missed some of the cancer during surgery, but we've checked every box on counting instruments.

End of the day, process based goals without results mean nothing.
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A lot of corporate speak here. Process and goals should be synergized.
No kidding, I feel like I'm at the corporate retreat reading through this. I've worked with a lot of chair-warmers who thrive on this kind of discussion. They're so busy dissecting the process that they forget the actual job.

The goal in football is pretty damn obvious. Setting a goal to try harder is not it.
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You play to win the game! You don't play it just to play it.
You're right but you can get lucky and win some games with a shit process, the problem is you're not likely to have sustained success with a shit process. If the goal is to win the game for more than just a random few years you need to have the right process in place so that is what you concentrate on. It's no mistake that Bama at the college level and New England at the NFL level are the two most dominant teams and arguably the two most process oriented teams.
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Still feel like process-based goals are the participation trophies of the adult world.

When you fail to deliver outcomes, what makes you feel better? Well, we nailed the process-based goals. Awesome. Let the stock holders know that next time the quarterly loses are dropping their 401k's by 10k. When a team gets 3 wins in a season, let us take solace because they gave 110% in practice. We may have missed some of the cancer during surgery, but we've checked every box on counting instruments.

End of the day, process based goals without results mean nothing.
Process isn't just giving 110% in practice, it's also how a coaching staff goes about evaluating players in recruiting and how you develop them while they're here. Process is everything that goes on in the program. So let me ask you if the 3 win season is acceptable if it falls in the middle of a run like this: 8, 10, 9, 3, 9, 11, 12. Yeah you had a bad season in there but there can be extenuating circumstances that lead to that, just like in the stock market you don't overreact to a bad year. Would you have cut ties with Berkshire Hathaway when it went from 138,000 per share to 73,000 in the span of October 2008-March 2009? If you did then you lost out on plenty of money because you just left lots of money on the table because as of today Berkshire Hathaway is at 306,000. They're run by Buffet who has a great process but that doesn't mean he's not going to have losses some years when extenuating circumstances occur. Process is how you have long term success.
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