Ace's 40 time

[Cock Kool-Aid]

To me, being selfish is putting your desires for success for the football team you enjoy watching over a kid's desire to get ahead in life and support himself and his family. It's a game. That you sit on your ass and watch. And take some irrational sense of pride in. This kid busted his ass and earned his shot. Grow up and quit your selfish lecturing. You don't know Ace's life. I may disagree with this decision, but I support it because its his personal decision to make and he has the right to put his future and his family above a university... and I'm sure as hell not going to throw insults at him like a disappointed child.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

all fair comments, except the one about if shaw start's ace's numbers couldn't improve. that's a moronic comment. shaw played hurt all season, and still had a better completion percentage and a better ypc average than thompson throughout the reg season.
i'm not trying to start the whole qb thing up again, but can't understand why some of you guys want to dog the absolutely best career qb in the history of this program? this guy has done nothing but win, play through tremendous pain, and conduct himself in the most of professional manners, out working most of the guys around him, and improving every single year. add to this list, that he played behind a terrible ol in 11', and a very young and inexperienced ol this past season.
that being said, i want to make perfectly clear that i really like ace, and have always thought he should get more playing time. and yes, it is his decision to make. he made it. but my thinking it was a selfish decision is my opinion. and it is just as valid as anyone else's opinion to say it wasn't selfish. i also think it was the wrong decision, and i have listed some very logical and realistic reasons as to why. now, we can debate it intelligently, or keep stating our points again and again. i prefer to debate.
there was way too much wr competition coming out this year. there will be very little wr competition coming out next year. that alone wins the debate in my opinion. second, ace needed another year to add more muscle and coaching to his skill set before heading to the league. many have said that he couldn't have up'ed his draft stock next year... well that is just about the most moronic statement on this thread. of course he could. how do you debate anything, if you only look at one side of the argument? he could get hurt... he could have a bad season... blah, blah, blah... he could be coming back to a team with a much, much, much better ol. which would give the qb's more time to throw. what if that team also had a wealth of rb's who could seriously improve behind such a ol, and help the wr's even more? finally, so you guys are going to tell me he is good enough to go to the league, but not good enough to have improved as a gamecock next year????????? really?????? boom! can i get some support from the gallery? lol!

I respect your opinion the same way I respect his decision, what I do not respect is you saying it was a selfish decision and in my opinion that is what most do not like about your post.
The debate is mute as you agree he could get hurt, he could have a bad season, he could......all speculation and debatable but you can't debate calling a great GAMECOCK WR/PR selfish for chasing his dream, making his decision and if he is good enough to improve as a GAMECOCK then imagine how much he will improve by not going to class and doing nothing but football while he gets paid well for it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

those are two different posts. come on now...

and i still stand by that. why would you post something like that? first, you can't tell what the future would have held for ace. and second why are you trying to bash shaw? HE PLAYED WITH A FRACTURED SCAPULA AND FOOT FOR MOST OF THE SEASON. why can't some of you understand that? a bruised bone is painful enough, but this guy played with fractures! and he still had better numbers than thompson. so what makes you think ace's numbers wouldn't have improved? you want to make derogatory statements about a guy who sacrificed like that to get this program wins? the most wins of any qb in the history of usc football. yeah, i think that is moronic. sorry if you think that is personal, but your statement bashing our starting qb is much more personal if you ask me. beyond that, you never answered the question either. why?

So it is moronic to call Shaw out but calling Ace out is debatable???

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

troy williamson
sidney rice
robert geathers
tory gurley
capt munnerlyn
e cook
alshon jeffery
ace sanders

...and there are several more, especially db's, but i don't have the time to look them up.

We should recruit kids with less talented kids who would rather stay in school 4 years rather then make more money then they have ever seen while fulfilling there childhood dreams. We should also point more fingers at the players who left the school ours or someone elses early to play in the big leagues and let them know how we were poised to do great things but they let the school down, I think that would be good for everyone?

[snoopcockycock]

the majority of the players in the nfl, stayed in college for four years, and still fulfilled their dream of playing pro football. so it is a little bias to try to make it sound like it is an either or situation. the biggest problem with the younger generation is that they don't want to put the time and work in to get anything. instant gratification is the norm now. give it to me now! there was a time when you had to put the time and work in to get anything worthy of being a goal. the overwhelming majority of pro football players, throughout its lifetime, have put the full time in before fulfilling their dreams of playing in the league. only this younger generation thinks they should have it all now.
this country and generation has become so indifferent to selfishness, that things which were considered extremely selfish 30 years ago, are considered normal now. from day one of our experiences in youth sports, we were taught by every single coach, that we are part of something bigger than ourselves. that the team comes first! that you have a responsibility to your teammates over yourself. these were all stalwarts to every team sport. so, yes, even with the superstars, leaving early it is selfish, by its very definition. however, it is extremely acceptable if that player is considered such a great player that they will be taken early in the first round, or in the first round at all. but it is still putting yourself before the team, which by its very definition is selfish.
i have said how much i love ace, both as a player and representative of our program. i also wished him well. but you can't change the definition of a word, just because you think it sounds derogatory. no matter how much you agree with an action of a person, or how much it is accepted, it doesn't change the fact that by definition it is a selfish act. look up the word. if you put yourself before that of your teammates, your coaches and the program, it is selfish.
and so i wrote my opinion of disagreeing with the decision. it doesn't mean that i think any less of ace. it just means i disagree with his decision. i have less of a problem with a player leaving early if they are a sure fire top first round pick. is it still selfish? yes. of course it is, because it still puts the player before the team. but there is a big difference between that, and guys leaving who are 4, 5 or 7th round picks. i believe that those are very disrespectful to the program. btw, most of the professionals are agreeing with me that ace's decision was a bad one.

[snoopcockycock]

Originally Posted by qcgamecock

So it is moronic to call Shaw out but calling Ace out is debatable???

come on qc. really? do you seriously think those are the same situations? i only said that it was a bad decision, and a selfish one. if you want to call that "calling Ace out", then so be it. most of the professionals who get paid a lot of money to do this, also said he made the wrong decision.

but how does that compare to guys continually BASHING our starting qb? who has done quite the opposite. he selflessly played through two extremely painful fractures, while conducting himself in the highest of regards, out working most players around him, leading the team to the most wins by a starting qb in the history of our program (over a 100 years) and continues to do nothing but positive things in all things consider gamecock. conversely, ace clearly announced he was coming back, and then went on to go back on his word, and not only leave, but do it with little to no chance of going early in the draft. sos himself has made several statements disagreeing with players leaving if they are not early first round picks. so i guess he should be called out also.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

the majority of the players in the nfl, stayed in college for four years, and still fulfilled their dream of playing pro football. so it is a little bias to try to make it sound like it is an either or situation. the biggest problem with the younger generation is that they don't want to put the time and work in to get anything. instant gratification is the norm now. give it to me now! there was a time when you had to put the time and work in to get anything worthy of being a goal. the overwhelming majority of pro football players, throughout its lifetime, have put the full time in before fulfilling their dreams of playing in the league. only this younger generation thinks they should have it all now.
this country and generation has become so indifferent to selfishness, that things which were considered extremely selfish 30 years ago, are considered normal now. from day one of our experiences in youth sports, we were taught by every single coach, that we are part of something bigger than ourselves. that the team comes first! that you have a responsibility to your teammates over yourself. these were all stalwarts to every team sport. so, yes, even with the superstars, leaving early it is selfish, by its very definition. however, it is extremely acceptable if that player is considered such a great player that they will be taken early in the first round, or in the first round at all. but it is still putting yourself before the team, which by its very definition is selfish.
i have said how much i love ace, both as a player and representative of our program. i also wished him well. but you can't change the definition of a word, just because you think it sounds derogatory. no matter how much you agree with an action of a person, or how much it is accepted, it doesn't change the fact that by definition it is a selfish act. look up the word. if you put yourself before that of your teammates, your coaches and the program, it is selfish.
and so i wrote my opinion of disagreeing with the decision. it doesn't mean that i think any less of ace. it just means i disagree with his decision. i have less of a problem with a player leaving early if they are a sure fire top first round pick. is it still selfish? yes. of course it is, because it still puts the player before the team. but there is a big difference between that, and guys leaving who are 4, 5 or 7th round picks. i believe that those are very disrespectful to the program. btw, most of the professionals are agreeing with me that ace's decision was a bad one.

that you have a responsibility to your teammates over yourself. This goes both ways, just as we will wish Lattimore a HERO's goodbye this year as well as Ace we will lose Clowney next year, if what you say is true no one gave Taylor a bit of credit for staying when he could have left early last year and he did nothing to improve his stock but his combine workout. You calling Ace's or any athletes selfish decision is no different then me calling that opinion selfish, it is one man's opinion with different views of the same situation. I'm sure you are part of a team in your office but if a contractor offered you 3X what you are making you are going to stay loyal to the team? Do you think it is disloyal for Garnett, Peak, Thornwell....to leave there teammates in high school to better themselves and take a scholarship to play for a private school in another state? When a player leaves another for free agency do you think he is selfish? Ace took care of all his responsibilities to his teammates, coaches, fans and school when he went to classes and completed the bowl game for his one year scholarship.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

come on qc. really? do you seriously think those are the same situations? i only said that it was a bad decision, and a selfish one. if you want to call that "calling Ace out", then so be it. most of the professionals who get paid a lot of money to do this, also said he made the wrong decision.

but how does that compare to guys continually BASHING our starting qb? who has done quite the opposite. he selflessly played through two extremely painful fractures, while conducting himself in the highest of regards, out working most players around him, leading the team to the most wins by a starting qb in the history of our program (over a 100 years) and continues to do nothing but positive things in all things consider gamecock. conversely, ace clearly announced he was coming back, and then went on to go back on his word, and not only leave, but do it with little to no chance of going early in the draft. sos himself has made several statements disagreeing with players leaving if they are not early first round picks. so i guess he should be called out also.

If Conner is the player of the year and leaves next year will he be selfish even though he played selflessly last year?
What did Ace say about others leaving early? Call him out for changing his mind then, but selfish would have been to forget about the bowl game and start to practice for the combine or to avoid injury. He had not committed to play next year, he had not signed his name to play next year so he obviously had not made his mind up or changed it both his option.

[snoopcockycock]

concerning your latest post above, keep in mind that there is a big difference between someone committing a selfish act, and being a selfish person. people who frequently and continually commit selfish acts, are selfish persons. but a person who randomly or sporadically does something selfish is just normal.
furthermore, 99% of everything we all write on here is our opinions, and that is fine. it gives us a chance to debate different topics and learn about how different people think. that is the second best thing about a board like this. the being the information we get about our beloved school. it is nice when we can debate the topics, without acting like children.
you have stayed true to your perspective, and i mine. different people are raised with different beliefs and values. so they will always see things in a different manner. we all, every single one of us, do selfish things at different times. it is human nature. my biggest problem is that, we as a society, use to fight to limit these things and give them a negative connotation when they did happen. now it just seems we are ok with the lack of most ethic's, manners and values. but please keep in mind, that just because i have a problem with something someone types, doesn't necessarily mean that i have a problem with that person. too many on here don't seem to be capable of making that distinction. calling a statement moronic, doesn't mean that i think the person is a moron. smart people make stupid statements all the time. we are all fallible. so we will both stick to our opinions.

[FilchCock]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

the majority of the players in the nfl, stayed in college for four years, and still fulfilled their dream of playing pro football. so it is a little bias to try to make it sound like it is an either or situation. the biggest problem with the younger generation is that they don't want to put the time and work in to get anything. instant gratification is the norm now. give it to me now! there was a time when you had to put the time and work in to get anything worthy of being a goal. the overwhelming majority of pro football players, throughout its lifetime, have put the full time in before fulfilling their dreams of playing in the league. only this younger generation thinks they should have it all now.
this country and generation has become so indifferent to selfishness, that things which were considered extremely selfish 30 years ago, are considered normal now. from day one of our experiences in youth sports, we were taught by every single coach, that we are part of something bigger than ourselves. that the team comes first! that you have a responsibility to your teammates over yourself. these were all stalwarts to every team sport. so, yes, even with the superstars, leaving early it is selfish, by its very definition. however, it is extremely acceptable if that player is considered such a great player that they will be taken early in the first round, or in the first round at all. but it is still putting yourself before the team, which by its very definition is selfish.
i have said how much i love ace, both as a player and representative of our program. i also wished him well. but you can't change the definition of a word, just because you think it sounds derogatory. no matter how much you agree with an action of a person, or how much it is accepted, it doesn't change the fact that by definition it is a selfish act. look up the word. if you put yourself before that of your teammates, your coaches and the program, it is selfish.
and so i wrote my opinion of disagreeing with the decision. it doesn't mean that i think any less of ace. it just means i disagree with his decision. i have less of a problem with a player leaving early if they are a sure fire top first round pick. is it still selfish? yes. of course it is, because it still puts the player before the team. but there is a big difference between that, and guys leaving who are 4, 5 or 7th round picks. i believe that those are very disrespectful to the program. btw, most of the professionals are agreeing with me that ace's decision was a bad one.

yeah back in my day when men were men, kids were taught the value of a hard day's work and the dollar that comes with it. nowadays kids are just gimme gimme gimme, and that's the kind of moral filth thats gonna bring an end to this great country..........oh please, SPARE ME. You know why kids leave college now when they didn't used to? Because playing football is worth more now than it was then and a college degree is worth less. Also, the next time you want to flatter yourself, please don't do so at the expense of this hard-working 22-year-old and his peers.

(Insert reply about how kids these days don't respect their elders)

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by snoopcockycock

concerning your latest post above, keep in mind that there is a big difference between someone committing a selfish act, and being a selfish person. people who frequently and continually commit selfish acts, are selfish persons. but a person who randomly or sporadically does something selfish is just normal.
furthermore, 99% of everything we all write on here is our opinions, and that is fine. it gives us a chance to debate different topics and learn about how different people think. that is the second best thing about a board like this. the being the information we get about our beloved school. it is nice when we can debate the topics, without acting like children.
you have stayed true to your perspective, and i mine. different people are raised with different beliefs and values. so they will always see things in a different manner. we all, every single one of us, do selfish things at different times. it is human nature. my biggest problem is that, we as a society, use to fight to limit these things and give them a negative connotation when they did happen. now it just seems we are ok with the lack of most ethic's, manners and values. but please keep in mind, that just because i have a problem with something someone types, doesn't necessarily mean that i have a problem with that person. too many on here don't seem to be capable of making that distinction. calling a statement moronic, doesn't mean that i think the person is a moron. smart people make stupid statements all the time. we are all fallible. so we will both stick to our opinions.

I couldn't agree with the above post more and it did make me see your point a little better though we still have different opinions I get your point but think it would be easy to say any decision is selfish since it is based on another man's opinion, just saying, since ethics, manners and values are all relative then I would say calling that decision selfish goes against my ethics, manners and values to those on my team since no matter what I do I expect my teammates to have my back to a certain point. Chasing ones dream is reason to get behind a teammate not question the decision, though I get your point and understand that as a teammate and friend it is wrong not to question the decision if your opinion is it is the wrong decision.

[qcgamecock]

Originally Posted by FilchCock

yeah back in my day when men were men, kids were taught the value of a hard day's work and the dollar that comes with it. nowadays kids are just gimme gimme gimme, and that's the kind of moral filth thats gonna bring an end to this great country..........oh please, SPARE ME. You know why kids leave college now when they didn't used to? Because playing football is worth more now than it was then and a college degree is worth less. Also, the next time you want to flatter yourself, please don't do so at the expense of this hard-working 22-year-old and his peers.

(Insert reply about how kids these days don't respect their elders)

In my experience most generations think the next is moral filth, it is rare for generations with the same ethics, moral and values since one had TV, one did not, one had computers one did not, one had cell phones one did not, one had internet, rock and roll, rap, drugs....Keep working hard and respecting your elders cause in the end that is worth as much as that degree. You are spot on about the money, like most situations it is the root of evil LOL... Nothing can change a decision like money!

[cockybusiness2]

If a player decides to leave early, that is their business. If you want to stop that, You must first offer 4 year scholarships. The way I understand it, scholarships are now 1 year. If you want a player to commit for 4 years, then the school should commit for 4 years.

[Flameout12]

Originally Posted by FilchCock

yeah back in my day when men were men, kids were taught the value of a hard day's work and the dollar that comes with it. nowadays kids are just gimme gimme gimme, and that's the kind of moral filth thats gonna bring an end to this great country..........oh please, SPARE ME. You know why kids leave college now when they didn't used to? Because playing football is worth more now than it was then and a college degree is worth less. Also, the next time you want to flatter yourself, please don't do so at the expense of this hard-working 22-year-old and his peers.

(Insert reply about how kids these days don't respect their elders)

...and why do people go to college anyway?...just to get an "education" that they'll likely soon forget? College is a stepping stone to better things....college football is also a stepping stone to better things...and the NFL is one of them.
The same people bashing Ace should also be bashing Marcus...they both are leaving early...to fufill their dreams of playing in the NFL.

Still it will suck if Ace winds up not making it because he needed another year to be ready for the competetion for a roster spot during the pre-season. He was the smallest WR at the combines and NFL teams are already loaded with bigger and likely faster WRs on their rosters. This is not going to be easy for him.

[FilchCock]

Originally Posted by Flameout12

...and why do people go to college anyway?...just to get an "education" that they'll likely soon forget? College is a stepping stone to better things....college football is also a stepping stone to better things...and the NFL is one of them.
The same people bashing Ace should also be bashing Marcus...they both are leaving early...to fufill their dreams of playing in the NFL.

Still it will suck if Ace winds up not making it because he needed another year to be ready for the competetion for a roster spot during the pre-season. He was the smallest WR at the combines and NFL teams are already loaded with bigger and likely faster WRs on their rosters. This is not going to be easy for him.

Yeah I'm really no sure how he's gonna do, but his stock might never be higher than after this season. I mean, he was the specal teams darling of the whole college football season. So I just can't judge him harshly for leaving, especially since he had a front row seat for Alshon's draft drop.

[Cock Kool-Aid]

What if Ace left because a family member has cancer and the family needs money to pay for their treatment? Is that still "selfish"? Do you put your teammates above your family? If you do, is that selfish? This is just one example. You don't know his personal life. For someone with such old, outdated ideals... you sure do need to grow up.

[snoopcockycock]

Originally Posted by FilchCock

yeah back in my day when men were men, kids were taught the value of a hard day's work and the dollar that comes with it. nowadays kids are just gimme gimme gimme, and that's the kind of moral filth thats gonna bring an end to this great country..........oh please, SPARE ME. You know why kids leave college now when they didn't used to? Because playing football is worth more now than it was then and a college degree is worth less. Also, the next time you want to flatter yourself, please don't do so at the expense of this hard-working 22-year-old and his peers.

(Insert reply about how kids these days don't respect their elders)

first of all, a college degree is worth what you make of it. if it is worth less today to some, it is because they are too lazy to put it to good use. which supports my point about the gimme generation. it goes back to the me generations "give it to me now", instead of actually putting in the work to EARN IT. and please, for the record, point out where i flattered myself at your expense. finally, the words "hard working" and "22 year old" are mutually exclusive terms. btw, back in the day we didn't have kids committing mass murders. so you might want to think about your statement of what kids are doing to this country.

ps - why are some of you guys only looking at one side of the "what if's"? what if the sky was falling? what if his family member had a terrible disease? what about the other side? what if he just let the wrong people get in his ear, and made a mistake? go read about what capt munnerlyn had to say about it. he was in a similar situation, and has actually done fairly well in his pro career so far. but he admitted that he made a bad mistake. why is it so hard for some of you guys to believe the kid might have made a mistake? here's one for ya, what if he came back and we won a national championship, he ended up being our leading wr and was one of the highest rated wr's for next years draft where fewer good wr's are supposed to come out?