QB stats

[JT21]

Interesting article on QBs, pass distribution, and completion percentage. Some good notes/stats on Shaw and Thompson: http://www.footballstudyhall.com/201...n-matt-barkley

Nobody threw deep more frequently in this sample than South Carolina's Connor Shaw.

With Conner Shaw in the game, South Carolina goes either very short or very long; with Dylan Thompson, there's a lot more intermediate passing.

Good stuff (other than the misspelling of Connor...)

[CoverTwo]

I noticed that about Connor and Dylan as well. I'd like to see Dylan try to throw a bomb to see how accurate and how far he can place it. You can pick at certain parts of Connor's game but the man can throw a beautiful deep ball when he is mechanically sound.

From what we have seen, I think this is why our offense is a little more boom or bust with Connor. Its either we get a big play or we kind of slow it down. From the little we have seen with Dylan and the intermediate passing game, there is a little bit more rhythm or consistency.

[talon]

this confirms how good McCarron is
also confirms that we are only mediocre as a passing team and need to get better

[BruceAlmighty]

Go big or go home

[bmccall]

Connor just underthrows on a lot of intermediate routes and long routs too. Could be why you don't see a lot of intermediate route states for Conner. Its something fixable I would think, just not sure why that was such an issue last season for him.

[Acockolypse Now]

Connor's shoulder injury kept him from throwing very accurate deep balls this year. The TD pass he had to Byrd was slightly underthrown.

Dylan throws a very accurate deep ball.

Ask Clemson.

[talon]

The intermediate routes, 20-30 yard passes, take the most arm strength and usually the longest to develop. For Connor he doesn't like to stand there that long and will take off because he has confidence that he can make a play with his feet. Connor throws a pretty deep ball and those passes get off fairly early so Connor is good with those. Unfortunately the deep outs are not his strength.

[STEPHONGILMOREFAN!]

Dylan throws a pretty deep ball. Damiere in the ecu game was a beauty

[cofcgamecock9]

People are already breaking down our QBs flaws in the posts above mine and that is fine. That is going to happen.

But the bottom line is that this notion that Connor only throws short and Dylan throws deep and that is why Connor's completion % is higher is complete crap.

It simply is your perception, but it isn't the reality. This article and the people who have posted Connor's YPA average have both shown that reality doesn't match up with your perception.

So hopefully this will help put that bed. Although I am sure it will not. Some people are just going to see what they want to see regardless of how hard they are slapped in the face with facts.

We have two great QBs and Spurrier just said two days ago that both would play meaningful roles next year. That is a great problem to have.

But this idea that Connor only throws short passes and that is why his completion % is high is completely unfair to Connor because it isn't true. In fact, when you look at those charts and look at how Connor compared to other QBs, and not just Dylan, you can see that Connor throws as many deep balls as almost anyone.

Sorry just tired of hearing that Connor completes passes because he only throws it short.

[klempsux]

nm

[FanofCarolina1]

Originally Posted by talon

this confirms how good McCarron is
also confirms that we are only mediocre as a passing team and need to get better

When you're primarily a zone read offense and not a spread offense, your passing game is going to be mediocre.

[FanofCarolina1]

Originally Posted by STEPHONGILMOREFAN!

Dylan throws a pretty deep ball. Damiere in the ecu game was a beauty

Damiere's catch in the UGA game was a thing of beauty also.

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1

Damiere's catch in the UGA game was a thing of beauty also.

You mean his interception.

[Lalli25]

Originally Posted by cofcgamecock9

People are already breaking down our QBs flaws in the posts above mine and that is fine. That is going to happen.

But the bottom line is that this notion that Connor only throws short and Dylan throws deep and that is why Connor's completion % is higher is complete crap.

It simply is your perception, but it isn't the reality. This article and the people who have posted Connor's YPA average have both shown that reality doesn't match up with your perception.

So hopefully this will help put that bed. Although I am sure it will not. Some people are just going to see what they want to see regardless of how hard they are slapped in the face with facts.

We have two great QBs and Spurrier just said two days ago that both would play meaningful roles next year. That is a great problem to have.

But this idea that Connor only throws short passes and that is why his completion % is high is completely unfair to Connor because it isn't true. In fact, when you look at those charts and look at how Connor compared to other QBs, and not just Dylan, you can see that Connor throws as many deep balls as almost anyone.

Sorry just tired of hearing that Connor completes passes because he only throws it short.

This was based on 4 games of charting.

4 games: Arizona, Auburn, Oklahoma, Oregon State, South Carolina
http://www.footballstudyhall.com/201...charting-intro

That isn't an accurate sample size. Also you ignore the fact that the writer himself said he either throws very short or very long. That means it is obvious that he checks down a hell of a lot. It also didn't say he completes the long passes a lot. Throwing 5 long passes and 20 check downs counts as a lot of both. If you 18-25 that looks like a good percentage and all, but actuality is he isn't completing the ball down the field as much as you wish he was. This article is saying just that.

Nobody threw deep more frequently in this sample than South Carolina's Connor Shaw. Though as we'll see below, throwing deep isn't quite the same as successfully throwing deep.

[ConwayGamecock]

Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1

Damiere's catch in the UGA game was a thing of beauty also.

Not really...it was underthrown....if it was thrown ahead of Byrd than behind him, he was positioned to take it to the house. Still, it was a great play by Damiere to pull the ball away from Rambo, but the pass wasn't the most accurate...

[bryarx]

Originally Posted by FanofCarolina1

Damiere's catch in the UGA game was a thing of beauty also.

Originally Posted by Cock Kool-Aid

You mean his interception.

I'd call it a strip. Rambo intercepted it, Byrd stripped it away.

As a side note, ever since that play, in which Todd Ellis said 'the diminutive Demiere Byrd', I've heard 'diminutive' at least twice on 107.5 this year, not the Todd Ellis replay, but either Andy Demetra or someone else calling a game and saying it. Just sticks out to me.

[Lalli25]

Originally Posted by bryarx

I'd call it a strip. Rambo intercepted it, Byrd stripped it away.

This sounds the most accurate.

I think that plays literally embodies what is so frustrating about USC's offense. That was a play that was wide open and should have been a 50+ yard TD pass with Byrd walking into the End Zone. Instead its almost picked and took a amazing play by us to just get a 30 yard pass out of it. That is how the offense seems to always work. Misses, just barely, the easy big play and just barely gets enough to keep moving. You can be successful game in and game out with that style of offense and that is why we lose 2 games.

[me4USC]

Some people are missing that the percentage refers to attempted passes, not completed passes. Shaw attempts more long passes, but he doesn't always complete them. If Thompson has a higher completion rate on long passes, his attempted rate could still be lower than Connor's.

If I have time, I'll do the math later.

[me4USC]

Some of you won't like this. Look at the bottom chart. Connor didn't complete any passes over 40 yards (4.7% of his total passes). He did complete 40% of the 35-39 yard passes, and that comprised 7.8% of his total passing. That's still a good stat, but to say that he led the nation (or beat Thompson) in attempted passes in a category in which he completed none of the passes is a little misleading.

That's not what I wanted to see. That's a fact.

I also have to wonder which games were used. Obviously all of them weren't, because Thompson complete longer passes than 19 yards in more than one game, yet he is credited with none at all. Did they leave out ECU, Clemson, and the Outback?

[Cock Kool-Aid]

Originally Posted by bryarx

I'd call it a strip. Rambo intercepted it, Byrd stripped it away.

I'm sticking with INT. Rambo never really had possession of the ball. Shaw threw the ball to the intended WR, Bacarri Rambo, and Byrd battled through the catch and intercepted it.

To address the general discussion in this thread: I don't need stats, which are easily manipulated, to tell me how both of our QB's play. I watched every game, most in person, and I trust my eyeballs.