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Old 03-29-2013, 09:49 AM   #1
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Default What if the Oline does not improve...

First of all, I understand the desire for optimism and I am generally a very positive person. I also know its the Spring and we have a lot of time to see how this unit, with at least 2-3 new faces with various levels of playing time will come together. I hope for the best.

However, what if it doesn't work this year? Many of this board's most frequent posters have said that they expect to see a noticeable improvement in the Oline's performance this year, and if there was not an improvement, the only person to look to would be coach Elliott. Coach Elliott is a great recruiter and by many accounts an accomplished play caller, also introducing the Zone Read to the offense if I'm not mistaken. We certainly don't want to lose him, would it be the likely course to hire a guy that only focuses on the Offensive Line, allowing Elliott to continue being the Run Game Coordinator, Cooffensive Coordinator, Recruiter, etc?
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Cart before the horse here...
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What if a meteorite falls on my house a year from now?
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Reading the first paragraph must be out of style...
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The first thing I did was check your location.....so I'm safe. WOO HOO

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haha well played

but anyways- my point was, why worry about what may or may not happen in the fall? as spectators, we should just spectate.
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It is the young reserves that are struggling right now. The starters are going to be fine.
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haha well played

but anyways- my point was, why worry about what may or may not happen in the fall? as spectators, we should just spectate.
Not sure how this is all that different from following the practices or offseason workouts or recruiting. Everyone likes Coach Elliott, everyone believes he is a hard worker and recruits well. But the Oline is a critical unit to success. We have the size and talent, what are the expectations?
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BTW, the latest NOVA on the meteor that hit Russia in February is great.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/earth/meteor-strike.html
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Not sure how this is all that different from following the practices or offseason workouts or recruiting. Everyone likes Coach Elliott, everyone believes he is a hard worker and recruits well. But the Oline is a critical unit to success. We have the size and talent, what are the expectations?
Sure, we follow reports from practice...but I don't see how that is anywhere similar to asking "what if the oline doesnt improve"

I'm not sure of the end game. What are you expecting?

I guess someone could say "well, then we fire Elliot"

But aside from that one possibility...what other options are there that you're looking for?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, and sorry if it comes across that way, I'm just confused about what you're looking for.
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Default Re: What if the Oline does not improve...

This is the year that Elliott proves himself.

The talent is there, the depth is there, and the familiarity with system is there. If the line isnt good this year, I think it is a very fair observation that is the coaching.

I don't think that will happen though. I think this is the year we all get to stop panicking about the o-line for once.
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Sure, we follow reports from practice...but I don't see how that is anywhere similar to asking "what if the oline doesnt improve"

I'm not sure of the end game. What are you expecting?

I guess someone could say "well, then we fire Elliot"

But aside from that one possibility...what other options are there that you're looking for?

I'm not trying to be a jerk, and sorry if it comes across that way, I'm just confused about what you're looking for.
I don't think you are being a jerk. I have just seen many people say they expect an improvement out of that group this year, just wondering what kind of improvement they expect and what they suggest if they don't see it.

I listed another option that I would find preferable, just wondering if anyone else had some alternative ideas. My suggestion was bring in a coach for Oline work only, promoting Elliott to some equivalent of what Ellis Johnson was when he was here, only from an offensive standpoint. There are some who have already said "Fire Elliott" so I agree that would be some people's solution. I would not agree.
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IF
The O/line does not improve, then we find ways to win in other areas
like we have done the past three / four seasons. Ugly football, but
winning ugly beats losing "fashionably". We've found ways to win against
teams when our O/Line has gotten pounded by D/lines through three
different O/Line coaches. Our O/Line was dominated in the Outback
Bowl by Michigan's D/line, but we hit big plays when we needed them,
and our special teams picked up the slack as well. Our linebackers and
secondary kept the Wolverines in check just enough to give the offense
and special teams time to make those big plays and it all came together
at the end. ..... We survived the past few seasons without stellar
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IF
the O/line struggles again, we do what me have to do to win. ..That simple.
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Put it this way .. Florida, Alabama, and the Pittsburgh Steelers don't come after you if you can't coach worth a lick. He is still working with a relatively young group of players right now. Offensive Linemen, generally, start progressing upward in their 3rd year in the system.

Look what he is working with right now:

Starters:

Robinson - 4th year
Cann - 4th year
Waldrop - 2nd year
Patrick - 4th year
Shell - 3rd year

Reserves:

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C. Stadnik - 2nd year
M. Zandi - 2nd year
W. Sport - 3rd year
D. Park - 1st year

Injured:

C. Gibson - 4th year
M. Matulis - 3rd year

Remaining Incoming class:

N. Rodgers - 1st year
A. Knott - 1st year
J . Vonashek - 1st year
B. King - 1st year

Of the 16 linemen .. 9 (56%) are in their 1st and 2nd years, 3 (19%) are in their 3rd years, 4 (25%) are in their 4th years.

He is still working with young players. Now, his starters are experienced outside of Waldrop who will have to grow up in a hurry but he has enough on the front line to win games. Its those young backups that are still developing that need to improve.

It would be an absolute blessing if Gibson and Matulis came back this Fall ready to contribute because we need them, bad.
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We've won 11 games the past two seasons with offensive lines that I don't think were as talented overall as this one will be. It's a concern until we see it on the field, but I'm more worried about young linebackers stepping up than our o-line.
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Default Re: What if the Oline does not improve...

To answer the question of the OP.

If the OL does not improve, maybe Elliott does need to move on.

Before you hang me, there is absolutely no excuse for this line not to improve from one of the worst in the SEC last season.
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If the OL doesn't improve than we will has an inconcistent offense. Nothing to crazy about that.

From a solution stand point then we need to rethink our offensive scheme and how we run our blocking schemes. We have the bodies to succeed but may not be using the best scheme. Also could be our skill not helping out the big guys and making them look bad when it isn't their fault.

With all that said, I don't believe any of that and think we will do well. Our OL may not be Bama last year but we will be solid and able to do some great things offensively.
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Put it this way .. Florida, Alabama, and the Pittsburgh Steelers don't come after you if you can't coach worth a lick. He is still working with a relatively young group of players right now. Offensive Linemen, generally, start progressing upward in their 3rd year in the system.

Look what he is working with right now:

Starters:

Robinson - 4th year
Cann - 4th year
Waldrop - 2nd year
Patrick - 4th year
Shell - 3rd year

Reserves:

B. Stadnik - 2nd year
C. Stadnik - 2nd year
M. Zandi - 2nd year
W. Sport - 3rd year
D. Park - 1st year

Injured:

C. Gibson - 4th year
M. Matulis - 3rd year

Remaining Incoming class:

N. Rodgers - 1st year
A. Knott - 1st year
J . Vonashek - 1st year
B. King - 1st year

Of the 16 linemen .. 9 (56%) are in their 1st and 2nd years, 3 (19%) are in their 3rd years, 4 (25%) are in their 4th years.

He is still working with young players. Now, his starters are experienced outside of Waldrop who will have to grow up in a hurry but he has enough on the front line to win games. Its those young backups that are still developing that need to improve.

It would be an absolute blessing if Gibson and Matulis came back this Fall ready to contribute because we need them, bad.
Very good point about OL and age mattering more than other positions. If you look at Bama and auburn when they won they had older OL. A lot of people give all the credit to cam for auburn's title but he had 5 senior OL who had a large role in that teams success.

As a coach I have always said the perfect receipe for an OL is 2 seniors, 2 juniors and 1 sophomore. That way in theory 1 of the seniors is a 3 year starter who can really guide the group. 1 of the juniors is a second year starter so that means 3 of the 5 have a full year together. The sophomore you want to be starting because he is that good and not out of necessity and will become the core of the OL by senior year. Now I get this is unrealistic but in a perfect scenario this would be how the OL looks every year.
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You can't blame the OL for sacks when the QB wont get rid of the ball in time.
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